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10-28-2012, 07:38 PM
Dennis Bonvie
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Originally Posted by Sentinel View Post
But the Russian NT did NOT play together year round! Just two examples: in the 1972 series, the famous Kharlamov-Petrov-Mikhailov line did not play one minute together. In the 1987 series one line was from Dynamo, one from the Soviet Wings, and two from CSKA. Yes, the clubs practiced for 11 months together, but the NT was far from being a "machine": composed from different players from different clubs with different systems.

I believe the following players squarely belong on the Top 70 list:

Makarov (in the Top 10, the best player Russia ever produced)
Datsyuk (personal stats be damned, just look at him when he's on the ice)
Larionov (I value longevity, versatility, and hockey sense)

10 out of 70 is a minimum for Russian players, possibly more. Every game of every Soviet / Russian team (NT and clubs) against Canada / NHL (NT and clubs) was a close contest (other than Vancouver, of course), how can you give Russia less than 1/7 of the spots on the list? Realistically these #s would be like 20/35 (with 15 going to other hockey nations), but, of course, Canada gets an edge with all pre-1960 players.

Btw, somebody mentioned Firsov's numbers.

How are these numbers bad?
With the listing being from 2009, how could Malkin be on it after only 3 Pro seasons?
Ovechkin would have been higher rated at that point anyway.

Larionov is not a top 70 player. Period.

Federov had a 1 year prime. His defensive ability makes him a possibility.

Bure was too one dimensional for many voters here (though he was in my top 70).

Datsyuk, you said it yourself, not enough stats.

I had Firsov ahead of Bure on my list.

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