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10-30-2012, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Dennis Bonvie View Post
Regardless of +/-, Gretzky (and Mario) were less than average defensive players at best.
Which means given their position on the all-time list, that their offense was that much more effective and dominant compared to their peers and fellow top 10 players.

In my eyes, the top 4 can have Lemieux, Gretzky, Orr and Howe at any position and they all have strong arguments for being the best player of all-time but what is not contested is the fact that no one has yet come along (and it seems very unlikely that anyone anytime soon will) that can supplant them from the top 4.

There has to be tiers

1. Gretzky, Howe, Orr, Lemieux

2. Beliveau, Hull, Shore, Harvey

3. Jagr, Richard... Morenz, Bourque, Hasek, Roy, Lidstrom, Lafleur, Bossy, Clarke, Trottier, Messier...

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