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11-01-2012, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Hardyvan123 View Post
Sure but what do raw stats of say the top goal scorers in 80 compared to 09 tell us?

Not very much. that's why the use of adjusted stats is way more meaningful to compare those 2 groups of players.

Your hangup on adjusted stats has more to do with your arguments about Wayne that it does with logic or even math.
No, my hangup with Adjusted Stats has always been how they are used far to often as the ONLY form of comparison with the exclusion of everything else between players of different era's.
If AS is going to be used that exclusively with that much weight, it better be extremely god damned accurate!

And because this actually seems right to you....

Raw Career PpG: Bourque-.98 Lidstrom-.73
ADJ Career PpG: Bourque-.88 Lidstrom-.76
Raw 10year(92-01) in the league together: Bourque-.86 Lidstrom-.73
Adj 10year(92-01) in the league together: Bourque-1.00 Lidstrom-.66
Raw remaining years: (80-91)Bourque-1.07 (02-12)Lidstrom-.73
ADJ remaining years: (80-91)Bourque-.78 (02-12)Lidstrom-.78

So despite Bourque through 79/80-90/91 leading his team in scoring multiple times, despite having a top 10 along with multiple top 20 league scoring finishes, despite what your actual eyes tell you, despite Bourque doing this with a hell of a lot less offensive support than Lidstrom and despite Bourque being clearly better offensively in all other data...that an 01/02-11/12 Lidstrom that includes 3 of the 4 worst offensive years of his entire career was exactly equal to 79/80-90/91 Bourque offensively?

Nothing wrong there

Sorry but somewhere along the line, Adjusted stats is breaking down and breaking down bigtime.

On a scale of 1-10(10 of course being the most value), what value would say AS's has when comparing Bourque's first 12 years with Lidstrom's last 10?
For me, it's about 2, maybe 3 at the most.

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