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Originally Posted by DAChampion
Horrible analogy. Crosby wasn't a veteran who could be traded for youthful prospect, he was the youthful prospect.
The Carter for Couturier+Voracek trade, or the Richards for Schenn+Simmonds trades, are better analogies. Plekanec has comparable value to those too, so aim high please.
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Not a horrible analogy. Point was to show you how dumb it is to think our team is limited to 3rd worst with Plekanec on it. Our team was also 1st a few years ago with Plekanec on it. It's not because we struggled last year that we should get rid of Plekanec now.
As for the Richards-Carter comparison. Well, first off, those two were rumored to have off ice issues, Plekanec not at all. Second, the Flyers believed Giroux could take over as #1 center and he had shown capable of so, we don't have anybody yet that proved that.
Finally, Richards and Carter brought the Flyers to the cup finals, and they won it together in LA. I didn't think it was such a great trade before, and I still don't today.
The return wasn't bad, but Richards is someone I'd take on my team and in the POs any day of the week.
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Originally Posted by DAChampion
I disagree. You seem to be arguing that playing youth = investing in the future. It's not so, to invest in the future you need good youth, not tablescraps like Palushaj and Engvist who are leftover after you've emptied your system dry.
We had traded three or four 2nd rounders in the period 2008-2011, and we had lost two 1st rounders: one in the McDonagh trade and one in the Tanguay trade.
In previous seasons, Kovalev, Koivu, Komisarek, Tanguay, Moore, Hamrlik, Wisniewski, Halpern, had all left for nothing. When you lose a lot of skilled veterans for nothing, and that was indeed the story of the Habs in the period 2009-2011, you end up collapsing eventually.
The reasons for our team being the 3rd worst in the league are in the above two paragraphs. If we had had Hamrlik-McDonagh as the first pairing we would have been a bubble team.
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Actually, that's exactly what it means. You make young players play=invest in future. Trading vets for younger good prospects also means investing in the future. Both mean it, and it's not because you don't like Palushaj that he shouldn't be looked at. You also conveniently focused on him and Engqvist, our two worst forward prospects perhaps to have played with us last year. What about all the other names I mentioned, that were actually good.
As for the other players that we let go, it's been discussed to the point of exhaustion. Stupid mistakes, but it's a previous administration, and it had nothing to do with our ''collapse''. We've been a mediocre-good team under the previous admin over the years, we were again a mediocre team last year that probably would have battled for 8th spot in the POs, until Gauthier decided to fire Martin, replace him with Cunney, and traded away Cammy.
Yea, if we had Hammer-McDo as a pair maybe we'd be a bubble team. If we didn't trade Cammy and fire Martin, we'd probably have been one last year too.
This lockout really hurts because this would have been the year to really see Plek-DD-Eller compete against one another (so long as they were given the opportunity to do so). At some point, especially once Gally comes around, we will most likely have to move one of those centers, but we don't have to do it now nor does it absolutely have to be Plekanec.