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11-03-2012, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Stansfield View Post
Clarke didn't have Lidstrom either. The greatest defensive players are great regardless of who they play/played with, they're catalysts, they cause their linemates to appear better defensively not the opposite. And had the Selke been around in in Clarke's peak he'd probably have multiple Hart/Selke seasons. Fedorov's season, while amazing also came when Gretzky was past his prime and Lemieux missed most of the season. Gilmour had a simlar season the year before, he just also had Lemieux scoring at a Godly rate to contend with.
Originally Posted by KingForsberg View Post
If you wanna use Hart trophies then Bobby Clarke won three in 4 years due to his excellent defensive play.
Can people really say with a straight face that Clarke was more valuable than Orr in his 2 Hart seasons, when Orr was healthy?

Clarke getting the Hart had alot to do with Reggie Leach riding shotgun and their offensive magic than just his defensive play as well.

Clarke was one of the top defensive players of his era and all time and a great play maker with a decent offensive peak but his Hart counting elevates him too highly on all time lists as we will see later in the top Centers project when his Harts will get paraded out.

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