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11-07-2012, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by wgknestrick View Post
Looking back at the last 4 seasons with TK against Pens forwards:

What about Corsi? (2nd, 6th, 2nd, 4th on Pens)

+- / 60min?
TK finished 2nd, 3rd, 9th, and 5th on the Pens the last 4 years. I see 1 year of a being a bottom 6 forward out of 3 "top 6" performances.

All I keep finding is a player that has delivered fairly consistent results at 5v5 the last 4 years. 10/11 was his worst season though. Sure his point totals aren't impressive, but neither is his opportunity to compile high totals with very little PP time and limited ice time. You cannot deny that he has been very effective 5v5 his entire career.

Is Crosby a bad player because he is injured a lot per 60min of ice-time? TK has had concussion issues too.
So 10/11 was his worst year based on your stats. Hmm that interesting. What happened with TK in 10/11? Oh yeah that's right, he played top 6 minutes with Staal and Kunitz. You know what else is weird? He also scored the most points during that season. To me that says, as I mentioned, that TK is an anomaly. These stats aren't telling you what you think they are in his case. In his MOST productive season, the one that saw him score 21 goals, your stats indicate that it was his WORST season.

On top of that, he also saw an increase in even strength minutes playing a top 6 role against other top d pairings. As a result, according to your prized statistic, he produced at a lower rate. Isn't that what I have been saying all along? So in either case, the stats are misleading and that's what I have been arguing.

TK is no doubt a great third line winger that can produce in a top 6 role in a pinch. However, that stat does not mean that he would produce at the same rate on a go forward basis if given more ice time (as evidenced by the 10/11 season). He provides great scoring depth in a 3rd line role and can produce timely goals. He is worth his salary and has been valuable to this team. I'm not sure what else you are really looking for in this thread.

Anyway, agree to disagree on the great top 6 winger thing. Interesting discussion.

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