Thread: Sergei Fedorov
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11-08-2012, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Czech Your Math View Post
I think Yzerman tends to be overrated, at least in the media, relative to Fedorov.

THN's best 60 since '67 had them 54 spots apart (and that's just since expansion), due to Yzerman's lofty #6 rating (say what?) and Fedorov slipping in at #60.

However, there were a couple polls on HoH a few years ago limited to forwards and #13 & #21 in the poll of NHL forwards since WWII and #15 & #30 of NHL all-time forwards. That's more how I would rank them, which since forwards are half of all players, might equate to ~16 and ~30 spot differences, respectively. That seems about right to me.
Dropping all O6 forwards, who would you rank ahead of Yzerman? Gretzky, Lemieux, and then there's a mess of guys who you can make an argument for or against. Yzerman could easily have received the #3 slot. At most, I can think of maybe six more guys after the big two who would go ahead of him, if Yzerman were being ranked as low as possible.

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Originally Posted by SaintPatrick33 View Post
Bure played in a lower scoring environment? News to me.

Richard played from 1943-44 to 1959-60

Average scoring per team per game (including playoffs):

43-44 4.0
44-45 3.5
45-46 3.3
46-47 3.1
47-48 2.9
48-49 2.7
49-50 2.7
50-51 2.7
51-52 2.6
52-53 2.4
53-54 2.4
54-55 2.5
55-56 2.6
56-57 2.7
57-58 2.8
58-59 2.9
59-60 2.9

Pavel Bure played from 1991-92 through 2002-03

Average scoring per team per game (including playoffs):

91-92 3.5
92-93 3.6
93-94 3.2
94-95 3.0
95-96 3.1
96-97 2.9
97-98 2.6
98-99 2.6
99-00 2.7
00-01 2.7
01-02 2.6
02-03 2.6

The scoring environment was practically identical.
Richard's best season came in 1944-45. It was his highest scoring season by 0.25 GPG, and 0.26 PPG. If you replace that year with one representing the average of the rest of his career, nobody is talking about Richard as one of the five or ten best players of all-time, let alone better than guys like Lafleur or Beliveau.

Finally, may I ask why you ask why you chose to include playoff numbers in your averages, even though regular season stats would not be reflected by such?
Quote:
Originally Posted by SaintPatrick33 View Post
Bure played in a lower scoring environment? News to me.

Richard played from 1943-44 to 1959-60

Average scoring per team per game (including playoffs):

43-44 4.0
44-45 3.5
45-46 3.3
46-47 3.1
47-48 2.9
48-49 2.7
49-50 2.7
50-51 2.7
51-52 2.6
52-53 2.4
53-54 2.4
54-55 2.5
55-56 2.6
56-57 2.7
57-58 2.8
58-59 2.9
59-60 2.9

Pavel Bure played from 1991-92 through 2002-03

Average scoring per team per game (including playoffs):

91-92 3.5
92-93 3.6
93-94 3.2
94-95 3.0
95-96 3.1
96-97 2.9
97-98 2.6
98-99 2.6
99-00 2.7
00-01 2.7
01-02 2.6
02-03 2.6

The scoring environment was practically identical.

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