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11-09-2012, 06:10 PM
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If Bernie Nicholls could score ~150 points, then I'm pretty sure some others since could have done that in the 80s as well. Adjusted stats would suggest these players could have done it (and not just one season):
Nicholls was a very good (IMO bottom-end HHOF caliber) offensive player who centered a star LW (Robitaille) on a second line behind Wayne Gretzky, but still saw plenty of time. He also played RW with Gretzky on the PP and was the triggerman.
Jagr could definitely have done it, although he had a better situation than Yzerman did in terms of offensive help in his prime. Also, Jagr's 149 year was the same as Nicholls' situation (second line, playing with a top center in Francis, Lemieux-Francis-Jagr PP) so that should be accounted for.
Probably- Sakic, Forsberg, Selanne, Lindros, Thornton, Ovechkin, Malkin, Crosby...
Arguable. Sakic is the only one on this list who has an adjusted season at or above Nicholls' 124 from 1988-89, although some come close. So "probably" isn't the right word. Thee guys should be in the "Maybe" category.
Maybe- Bure, Kariya, etc.
These two were barely outscoring a 30+ Yzerman in the 90s in ACTUAL production. The idea that they would have come near Yzerman's best offensive season is silly. Bure's best seasons in raw production were not even as good, point-wise, as Yzerman's seasons those same years. And nobody is arguing that Yzerman should have done it more than once. If we're including these two, we should probably include Sergei Fedorov, Ron Francis, and Jarome Iginla also.
Yzerman' season, whether the total was inflated by era or not, wa one of the best offensive seasons ever. His linemates certainly didn't post "inflated" numbers (compare to Jagr, Lemieux, Gretzky, Esposito, etc.); this suggests that either Yzerman was just that good, or his linemates were that bad.
Five players have hit 150. Gretzky did it without a 100+ teammate once. Lemieux once. Yzerman once. Nicholls and Esposito were teammates with the Hart trophy winner. That's how singular Yzerman's achievement was; it's something Gretzky and Lemieux themselves only achieved once. And Yzerman did it while also receiving a 1st-place Selke vote as he was double-shifted in a checking role in those days. None of the other four managed that defensive feat while hitting 150.
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