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11-10-2012, 08:43 AM
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And they said it about Dallas and San Jose. Dallas was straight up murdering revenues for 15 years.
Nobody ever said that for Dallas and San Jose. I remember the NHL wanted a team in San Jose for years and people were enthousiastic by their coming.
That argument is flawed… Because hockey is awesome. You know it, I know it. Why don't the people of the South know it? Well, it may be because when the NHL raised the minimum payroll $39 million from 2006 to 2011, teams had to cut their marketing budget.
Or it's maybe it's not in their culture and they need a winning team to break even? It doesn't mean because Houston has a lot of people that they will like hockey. Going there is akin to closing your eyes and giving your money to whatever person tap you on the shoulder.
He said three years. But I said (in another thread) it's virtually INSTANT.
It happened in Phoenix when they went into bankruptcy.
It happened in Buffalo when they went into bankruptcy.
It happened in Dallas when they went into bankruptcy.
And in all three cases, teams lost virtually the same in attendance (2500 to 3000 a game).
Phoenix never had great crowds to begin with. Buffalo always had great crowds. Dallas is a matter of opinion that the low attendances were because of the owner.
Nashville had rumors of a Hamilton/KC move just for a couple months in the summer. Their attendance dropped 100 people a night.
When New Jersey was rumored to be going to Nashville, their attendance declined… coming of a Stanley Cup win!
But it's not like Nashville were gangbusters before the sales rumour. Why do you think there were sales rumours to begin with? As for New Jersey, they never had great crowds.
By climate perhaps, certainly not by revenue. Dallas was killin' it for 16 years before the Hicks bankruptcy.
I'm talking about attendances. Wich had nothing to do with ownership. Did Dallas stopped making moves during these three years, did they stopped getting players that demanded big dollars? Certainly not. So what's the connection with ownership. Did the people of Dallas read the journals and thought "Holly molley i'm not going the games because my owner is losing money!".
All I can see is that for only 3 years Dallas started sucking a little more than before and people left, along with the problem with the economy.
It's Bankruptcy + Cyclical Nature of Sports. US Economy doesn't have anything to do with it (if anything, it's the European economy because buying Liverpool made Hicks negligent on his Stars bills).
The average resident in Dallas doesn't follow this stuff on Business of Hockey message boards like you and I. People see the news that "the Stars" defaulted on $500 million in loans (that Hicks put in their name) and they think "Oh, they're gonna jack up the prices" and don't go.
I see how little people there were in the arena and cannot imagine this just became a cyclical thing because it was pretty damn sudden. It's something far worse I think. It's a mix of apathy and the economy. Wich seeing all the empty seats in the US arenas, we cannot underestimate the bad economy as the cause. Same thing happened in Colorado and all over.
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