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11-10-2012, 10:33 PM
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pdd
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Originally Posted by Thesensation19 View Post
Rollins had 12 wins, 47 losses lol
3.22 avg, the league goalie avg was like 2.3 lol

MVP?
Most Valuable Player is not the same as Best Player. If you can't understand that simple difference, I can't help you.

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Originally Posted by Nalyd Psycho View Post
In Richard's day, the voting for the Hart was clearly not for the leagues best player.
It's not supposed to be for the best player. It's supposed to be for the most valuable player.

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Originally Posted by Hawkey Town 18 View Post
There are some years where the Hart winner doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but most of those have been accounted for by now (another would be 1989...definitely should've been Mario).
You mean Yzerman.

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It has also clearly been biased against goalies and also against defensemen since the Norris trophy has been around. Another factor to be considered is that for a time award voting took place both at the half year point and end of year, with both votes counting.

To help, the first thing to do is look at a player's Hart voting record, not just whether they won or not...generally the best players that year will at least finish in the top 5 (although definitely not always because of the biases mentioned above). The next thing to do is to just use a player's Hart voting record as one piece of the puzzle when trying to determine how good they were. There are plenty of other things to look at, from stats to AS teams to contemporary opinions in the media.


EDIT: Building on Nalyd's comment, the Hart has gone through periods where it has sometimes been awarded as "most valuable" and others been awarded as "best player"
The Hart has been used in recent times; basically post-Orr, but especially since the Jennings was added, as the "Best Forward" trophy. It takes a particularly noteworthy season from a G or D to win or even contend for the Hart nowadays; otherwise Lidstrom and Bourque would each have at least one.

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