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11-11-2012, 01:58 PM
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But if Jagr is so great in the nhl regular season, why hasn't he ever dominated in the NHL playoffs? He never had a dominant playoffs where he led in anything, excepts game played.
Fedorov lead the playoffs in Points in 1995, Assists in 1995 and 1996, GWG's in 1997 and Goals in 1998 and is only the third player in NHL History to have 4 straight 20 point playoffs campaigns.
Funny how some try and make Best on Best statistics over a 20-Year period, as samples lol
Facts are Fedorov led PPG's in the Winter Olympics and PPG's and GPG's in the Canada Cup/World Cup over Jagr-Sakic-Forsberg-Lindros, while playing defense first in Best on Best International play
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that when in his prime, Jagr never had teams remotely as good as any of the teams that Fedorov or Forsberg played on. Jagr's PPG in the playoffs is better than Fedorov's. BTW Jagr's 2nd Stanley Cup win is a result of him having as equal a performance as any that Fedorov has had in the playoffs.
How many Hall of Fame caliber players did Fedorov play with during those playoff runs? Yzerman? Check... Lidstrom? Check.... Shanahan? Check.... Hull? Check
Give Jagr a team that deep in his prime and I bet the entire sink that Jagr doesn't have a similar run as Malkin or Leetch had.
As for this best on best tournament argument... the same again. The Czechs although had great success, were far weaker on paper than any of the great hockey nations; Russia, Canada, Sweden, Finland and USA.
In 1998 when Jagr helped the Czechs to the Gold at the Nagano games, he completely bought into the defense first philosophy of the Czechs and proved instrumental in them winning. Jagr also grew up playing in the Czech Republic, the ice surfaces in that country aren't Olympic size like it is in Russia. The Russians were tailored to excel Internationally. They had Larianov, Bure (who is basically far better than Fedorov Internationally), they had Mogilny, Constantinov, Zubov... just to name a few.
Fedorov didn't play this great defensive game Internationally as you claim BTW... The Russians were trying to blow teams in the round robin games. The Czechs on the other hand (specifically Nagano) were playing the tightest game defensively. Jagr was in fact playing a great two-way game in the Olympics and World Championships.
The Czechs were basically Jagr, Hasek and a bunch of good role players (outside of Elias in later years) basically while Russia was a who's who of International superstars. The Russian in the last 20 years have basically choked on far more occasions than they have succeeded while the Czechs have usually performed better than excepted minus the occasion when they lost the World Championships on home ice.
The 1995-96, 1998-99 and 1999-00 seasons that Jagr had are levels of domination that Fedorov never ever saw, even in 1993-94. Outside of just winning the 5 Art Ross trophies, Jagr also placed 2nd twice, once losing the Art Ross to Lemieux and once to Thornton by just 2 Pts. Jagr also placed 5th in scoring twice despite missing 19 games and 13 games respectively in those seasons.
Any way you cut, Jagr was better than Fedorov, in the playoffs, in the regular season, internationally. Heck even in the RSL/ KHL the very same league that Fedorov was accustomed in his career we saw Jagr dominate it to a better extent that Fedorov ever did.
Fedorov's a great player, with a great peak and very good career (he's a top 50 player most likely). Jagr on the other hand had a truly dominant prime and peak, a dominant overall career and is quite easily a top 15 player and has a legitimate claim to being top 10. Big difference here.
One is a great player that will be in the Hall of Fame while the other is a Generational talent that will be a 1st Ballot Hall of Famer.
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