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I'm not disputing that it might have been possible for others to do it. But the fact remains that Yzerman did it, on a team where he had basically no offensive support; arguably less even than Maruk did. That's a pretty incredible feat. As I said before; it has been achieved three times without another player on the team cracking 100. Once each by Gretzky, Lemieux, and Yzerman. And further reducing the impact of Nicholls' and Esposito's 150+ seasons is the fact that the years they did it, they played with the Hart trophy winner.
You keep citing Yzerman's great '89 season, but I don't recall having said one thing negative ITT about Yzerman or his great season, so I'm not sure what you think this proves.

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How many points does a prime Yzerman score in 1982? He posted 155, 137, and 127 with pretty shoddy linemates. He was clearing 100 despite rolling in Murray's "three first-line center" system before 1992-93 saw a move back to more reliance on Yzerman and ultimately Carson being dealt.
Value-wise it equates to ~171 points in '82. My best guess based on ES/PP points is that Yzerman may have scored ~163 points in '82 if he had similar circumstances to '89.

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A far a adjusted points, only a handful of seasons since 1932 adjust to or above 124 points with a 6 GPG average (124 is what Nicholls adjusts to) that weren't already 150+ seasons. Those seasons? Phil Esposito in 1968-69, 1971-72, and 1973-74; Bobby Orr in 1969-70; Mario Lemieux 1996-97; Jaromir Jagr 1995-96, 1998-99, and 2000-01; and Joe Sakic in 2000-01. Malkin last year, Ovechkin in 2008, Crosby in 2007, and Selanne in 1999 adjust to 122 for basically as close as you get. Crosby in 2010-11 had 71 in 41, so he was on pace to break the mark. But "on pace" doesn't do it. And adjusted numbers are only an estimate; we have to still consider that Nicholls' 124 is pushed down by the presence of Lemieux's 199, Gretzky's 168, and Yzerman's 155. If you replace those three in calculations with "average" players based on the remaining players in the league, how does Nicholls adjust then?
One wouldn't need to score 124 adjusted points in '89 to have a chance at 150 at some point in the 80s.

I don't know what you mean by "pushed down". Intuitively, other higher scoring seasons makes Nicholls' season a bit less impressive. I may be understanding what you're asking, but if you removed those top 3 players' seasons, then it would lower the league avg. and increase Nicholls' adjusted PPG that season.

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