Thread: Proposal: Van-Tor-Wsh
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11-11-2012, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by live playoff hockey View Post
you mean Bozak (a second/third line centre and soon to be ufa) and Kuleman (7 goal scorer who got 30 the year before)
Below sums it up pretty nicely.

Originally Posted by MastuhNinks View Post
You say that like you're correcting him, but everything he said is still true. You can't complain about other fanbases not knowing what the Canucks need and then fail to understand why Toronto would be hesitant to trade a guy like Bozak. Bozak has much more value to the Leafs as their #1 center (albeit a poor one) than he does as a #3 in Vancouver.
Whether or not Bozak is miscast in the role is irrelevant in any trade talks that don't involve a superior centre going back. Players value to teams are relative to the roles they fill and how good a job they do of filling it. It has little or nothing to do with what labels fans choose to apply to them. Obviously, Bozak presently fills the role of a #1C for Toronto, a pretty important position, and as such, is not a movable piece. Sure, if we were talking a trade for Ryan Kesler or the Sedins, then Bozak would be expendable and in play, but that's not the case here. The only way the Leafs can justify moving Bozak, is if a clearly superior centre is going the other way.

As for Kulemin, considering how poor the Leafs time of posession is, and the degree to which they lack size up front (hence having to trade a shutdown defenceman for another big forward), the probability of moving the only other forward with size is almost as low as Bozak.

As for what the Leafs should be prepared to pay for Luongo... it's going to be reflective of what he brings to the team. That means a proven #1 goaltender, instead of relying on James Reimer, on the upside. The Leafs could reasonably go from bottom-5 goaltending to top-10 if they made a deal for Luongo. Substantial upside, without a doubt.

On the downside, it brings a substantial contract with a lot of years, procludes the Leafs from building their young team around a young goaltender who has quite similar numbers to the goalie that displaced Luongo in Vancouver (in addition to being a few years younger), and comes at the opportunity cost of potentially acquiring a stop gap solution to tandem with Reimer.

Is there a price the Leafs will be prepared to pay for Luongo? Absolutely. The specific price will be highly dependent on what the new CBA looks like. However, that price will not rise to the point of losing core pieces. Forget guys like Bozak, Kulemin, Lupul. The players available will be the likes of Lombardi, MacArthur, Ashton, Frattin, Kadri. If the Canucks can do better trading him elsewhere, and find a team with a greater desire to get Luongo, then that's the reality of a free market.

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