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2007 NHL Draft: The 16 Defensemen Selected Before PK Subban
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11-12-2012, 09:03 PM
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Well, yeah it does. Let me remind you, first, that Subban was 3rd among all defensemen last year (Del Zotto 92nd, with
less than half
), and then remind you of exactly what you said:
Wait, who fits that description better between the two? You brought up the notion that either is a turnover machine that more or less gets excused by the number of points they put up, not me, but since you brought it up...
See, fantasy hockey is fun, because you can just load up on who you like and forget about the fact that the availability of RH shots has impacted how lines/pairing are constructed
. But let's back up here. It's just your
that Subban would be ahead of Staal, Girardi, Del Zotto, and McDonagh if inserted into that mix.
Well, I've received an intervention. I guess everyone needs one at some point in their lives. You... complete me. Honestly though, I never really accused you directly of that opinion (in fact, I said "a bunch of people" - whether or not you're included is irrelevant), and you should be aware that it has been openly expressed in precisely those terms in this thread, and others.
Hey guess what?
Andrei Markov led the league in give aways by defenseman in 07-08 with 92 (more than Subban in 2011-12). Oh hey! Look at that again, Andrei Markov with 102 give aways in 2008-2009 once again leading the league! This simply cannot be true? I always hear how the General is a Top-5 defenseman in the league, non? He must just be a puck-mover since his defense is clearly atrocious due to his give away numbers. Roman Hamrlik as well, he was clearly atrocious being 2nd most in 2009-10, 6th most in 2008-2009 and 10th most in 2007-2008.
Del Zotto would school those guys in the defensive zone. I can't believe Habs fans would even think that they could hold MDZ's jock strap?
The Montreal stat-keeper is notorious for giving out high give away numbers. So don't put much, if any, stock into them.
I'm not going to even reply to the rest, because PiM said most of what I was going to say anyways.
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