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Off-season Madness the 3rd: Jeffrey Loria taketh and Jeffrey Loria giveth away
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11-14-2012, 11:56 AM
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No, you were utterly wrong because you discounted out of hand that the Jays had spent the past three years positioning themselves to make precisely this kind of move. You were routed last week because you made baseless claims founded in emotional pessimism rather than objective evaluation.
The Jays are relevant contenders today precisely because of the work that Anthopolous and Beeston have done over the past three years - work that many posters have been relentless about criticizing, as you did, to the exclusion of any other discussion.
It's not - and has never been - about the "popular" belief. Quite the contrary, as the most popular belief happened to be the ill-founded one you were espousing, which is precisely why those who held a more objective view had gotten seriously tired of poking holes in it. That's why the response you received was as vitriolic as it was. You didn't necessarily earn that response on your own, but you can understand why some posters would have over-reacted to yet another "Johnny-come-lately" parroting the same tired and fallacious arguments to support their pessimistic - and, it has been proven, utterly wrong - opinion as fact.
But that was then, this is now. The debate has been resolved, and after everyone's had a day or two to digest this move, we should all be able to put this dispute in the past and move on to the fun of following a team whose relevance is now agreed upon by all.
The only fact I will dispute is that this is the move AA and Rogers were looking for. No where did anyone see the Marlins fire sale going this deep.
If the deal was Hech and Marisnick, Nicolin, Mathis for Josh Johnson and John Buck most on here would be screaming it too much for a pitcher 1 year removed from FA.
The difference is the Marlins included Reyes and Burhele cause they wanted to shed all payroll. If this was any other franchise in baseball this type of trade would not have happened as ownership would have been chastised in their own market and fans would have revolted with no shows to games.
Hell even the Astro's did not pull a fire sale like this all in one move.
So only under a perfect storm did this happen and not because AA had a stacked farm or willing to spend it was because another franchise basically said screw it to their fanbase.
Anyone on here would have never thought it would have happened and if a poster would have posted that deal it would have been laughed at saying the Marlins would not even do that.
Now I am going to give AA credit for taking advantage of a weaker GM in a bad position predicated by an owner who is just a plain idiot and willing to screw his franchise over in the name of getting more revenue sharing and keeping a payroll under 20 million.
Lets all be honest when thinking of adding both pitchers there was never talk of getting both from the same team and getting 2 all-stars neither was there talk of getting an all-star shortstop.
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