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11-14-2012, 12:10 PM
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If we're going to bring up all the negatives about the Marlins players, then its only fair to do the same about the guys the Jays are moving
Theres negatives for every single MLB player to go along with the positives. The biggest positive for the Marlins in this situation is their former problems had huge contracts that are now on another team. Nothing can trump that considering the Marlins thought a new stadium and freely paying out so much money would have transformed them into being a team that Florida would want to watch.

It didnt.

So, they scrapped that template and did what they are known for doing, trading away their top players for premium prospects, this time, from a team that had a bevy of top rated prospects they could pick and choose from. Financially, its what they had to do and restarts yet another changing of the guard where no matter what they do, they will never get the kind of attendance numbers they think they deserve. The Marlins found a sucker in AA to take all those contracts while giving up enough cheap talent in return that the Marlins can be just as bad as last year while saving a whole lot of money in the process.
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Escobar - known headcase who's worn out his welcome with both franchises he's played for
And an excellent trade chip come the deadline for a team in need of a excellent defensive short stop who can hit a bit.
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Hechavarria - amazing defender but hasn't shown anything close to a plus hit tool; could just be a slightly better hitting Jose Iglesias
But also makes the Marlins up the middle defense that much better then Reyes could ever do.
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Alvarez - can't strike anyone out, will need to develop an out pitch to succeed
Inning eater, led the Jays in innings pitched if I recall, so takes over Bur's spot as the resident every 5th day guy while at a much, much cheaper cost.
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Mathis - backup catcher
Fluff
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Nicolino/Marisnick/DeScalfini - all of them are good prospects, but none of them will be hitting a ML roster before 2015 and who knows what can happen by then
But all cheap, and have a MLB ceiling and dont have to do anything but refine their game in the minors while the Marlins continue their next rebuild.
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The biggest joke of that guy's posts is he's implying that the Marlins gutted the Jays farm systems or something when by absolutely everyone's rankings Florida didn't get the Jays best two prospects (D'Arnaud and Sanchez), and per the Fangraphs rankings that came out last week got #5, #6 and #10.
D'Arnaud is as brittle as they come and already a 23 year old prospect at a position where the wear and tear will catch up to him sooner then later. The Marlins were smart not to choose him if they had the chance. On last years BBA prospect list, Marisnick was the Jays number three prospect, with Nicolino five and DeScalfini moving up the charts fast. That is an unglodly haul for a 33 year old pitcher, and two injury prone players alone, not mentioning what else the Marlins also recieved and all the money they now freed up. And lets not forget that the Jays had one of the best farm systems in baseball before this trade and many of those same prospects would be ranked higher on other teams lists if they were there, so gutted is the right word when three top ten rated prospects are dealt for aging vets on bloated contracts.

I highly doubt it would have taken that much talent to aquire three question marks such as that, but the rumors persist that other teams were in play for those players and that AA just blew everybody away with his offer bidding against himself. Imo, I just dont think this is enough to put the Jays at the top of the east and think a few more moves need to be made to make them an actual contender. And this is before the other teams in the division make moves to better themselves. Thats where the Jays are right now, a decent start.

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