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11-14-2012, 01:39 PM
Pessimism Revoked
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Originally Posted by Dontdive View Post
I didn't present any solution. And I think how good the Leaf fans are is worthy of praise. They're in my opinion the best fans in hockey. They're very very loyal, and willing to show it in many ways. They are not the cause of how badly the Leafs have done, for so many years.

Correlation does not always equal causation. There is a correlation between how good the fans are and how this allows the top Leafs brass to not have enough urgency to properly improve the team, but those fans are not the cause.

Note too I didn't specifically insult the coach or GM of the Leafs, because they're not the top brass of the Leafs. I'm pretty sure Brian Burke for example knows he might be fired pretty soon if he doesn't improve things. That implies he has bosses who can do that, right? They're the ones I'm talking about.

I just look at the results. The Leafs haven't won the cup since 1967. They haven't been in the playoffs even in what - seven years?

To me, that's terrible. And depressing.

Here's the weird thing too. It's possible to not have the urgency I'm talking about, and still luck out if the people you hire to do things - like the coach and GM - do the right things themselves.

It's plain a lot of Leaf fans think Burke for example is on the right track, despite his distinct lack of success on the ice.

But whether that's true or not, all that money coming in means his bosses can relax, take it easy, and say "Let's give him another year." And not go all out to find someone better than him.

In pretty much any other city, he'd have been fired by now.
I think you need to take a look at the teams that have just won the last four cups...

They all took a long time to win the cup, and most of them went through multiple owners to do so. They all had periods of "this team is going nowhere fast" and came out of them. In fact they pretty much went through those periods for similar lengths or longer than the Leafs have (minus the Penguins). Cups are extremely hard to get and the Leafs had some pretty damn good teams over the past couple decades.

It's clear you're a non-Leaf fan trying to stir up something and doing a bad job at it. Go write on something you have an idea about, as you simply have none about this.

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