Round 2, Vote 4 (HOH Top Goaltenders)
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11-15-2012, 03:50 AM
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All Star Teams for Roy Worters and Tiny Thompson
Note that we don't have official All-Star Teams from before 1930-31. However, we have
this hockey card from the 1930s
indicates that he was voted "The League's Best Goalie" 4 times. And later, we found an unofficial GM-voted All-Star team from 1927-28 with Worters as the 1st Teamer. Based on Hart voting, I think it's likely that Worters was the 1st Teamer in 1926, 1927, 1928, and 1929 in unofficial voting.
1st Team All Star (1926) over ? (Charles Stewart was 2nd in Hart voting among goalies)
1st Team All Star (1927) over ?
1st Team All Star (1928) over George Hainsworth and Alec Connell
1st Team All Star (1929)
no records for 1930 (but Charlie Gardiner led goalies in Hart voting)
3rd Team All Star (1931) behind Charlie Gardiner and Tiny Thompson
2nd Team All Star (1932) behind Charlie Gardiner, ahead of George Hainsworth
3rd Team All Star (1933) behind John Ross Roach and Charlie Gardiner
2nd Team All Star (1934) behind Charlie Gardiner, ahead of Tiny Thompson
3rd Team All Star (1935) behind Lorne Chabot and Tiny Thompson
Certainly an impressive all-star record. One downside to Worters is that nobody seems to have remembered him as the best goalie of all time as of the 1940s. People mention Charlie Gardiner, and then skip Worters generation looking back and mention Georges Vezina and Clint Benedict. Another downside is the playoffs - Worters never won a playoff series and has a 3-6 record overall in the playoffs.
In 1930, Thompson was awarded the Vezina for best GAA but Charlie Gardiner is the only goalie who got significant Hart votes. No record of All Star Teams.
2nd Team All Star (1931) behind Charlie Gardiner, ahead of Roy Worters
In 1933, Thompson won the Vezina for best GAA but was 4th in All Star voting behind John Ross Roach, Charlie Gardiner, and Roy Worters. Otherwise unheard of in this era and points to a perception that he was a product of his team.
3rd Team All Star (1934) behind Charlie Gardiner and Roy Worters
2nd Team All Star (1935) behind Lorne Chabot, ahead of Roy Worters
1st Team All Star (1936) ahead of Wilf Cude and Mike Karakas (Thompson's 3rd Vezina season)
3rd Team All Star (1937) behind Normie Smith and Wilf Cude
1st Team All Star (1938) ahead of Dave Kerr and Wilf Cude (Thompson's 4th Vezina)
I think there is good reason to believe that Thompson was something of a product of his team. He was awarded 4 Vezinas for best GAA, but finished behind Gardiner in Hart voting in 1930, and finished behind 3 other goalies in All Star voting in 1933. He was a 1st Team All Star in 1936 and 1938 but against historically terrible competition.
Charlie Gardiner died after 1934 and the generation of HHOFers he competed against (guys like Worters, Hainsworth, and Connell) were on their way out due to age. From 1935-1938 (when Thompson got 3 of his 4 official postseason All Star nods), competition was awful with the only HHOFers left in the league aging and non-HHOFers like Wilf Cude, Normie Smith, and Dave Kerr getting All-Star nods.
The Bruins finished 1st in the regular season 4 times with Thompson in goal, but only won a single Cup. As soon as Thompson was replaced by Brimsek, they won 2 in 3 years.
Thompson starts this round out of my top 8. At the very least, he should be ranked under Roy Worters.
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