Philadelphia Phillies (MLB): The "Ruf"fled Offseason Thread
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11-15-2012, 03:34 PM
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Strike outs aren't horrible because they're better than grounding into a double play, and you can strike out a lot and still get on base a lot. However, when speed is a big part of your game it's usually better to put the ball in play than to not. The point remains though that he's another guy that does not get on base. His past 4 years he's had an average .316 OBP. That's just not good enough.
I don't really believe in fast guys should put the ball in play too much. These are big league players. They can make defensive plays no matter who is running. Would he get a few more hits a season if he hit to contact? Sure, but you can bet his power numbers would suffer as well and that's what makes him a valuable player. I believe last year was an outlier in regards to his OBP. He's more likely to be a .330 OBP guy once he gets away from Tropicana. In a day in age where .319 is the major league average, I'll take that with everything else he does. And not that I agree with it but this organization doesn't value OBP too highly for whatever reason.
He's pretty much a guy who made a big splash with what appears to be luck. He had a .393 BABIP in the first season where he had a good OBP, and then a 15% walk rate in the next. Those 2 seasons, 07 and 08, were the only time he's had a good OBP in his career. We really need someone who gets on base consistently. It looks like maybe Utley could be that guy again, but I don't know.
I know he got 'lucky' his first two seasons with average, but a 15% walk rate over 640 plate appearances is no fluke. His hitting coach those two years just happened to be Steve Henderson. Coincidence? Maybe, but I bet he had something to do with his approach during the two best seasons of his career.
I don't think Upton is a good enough player to spend FA money on. Victorino is a better player, or at least he's been the better player for the past several years. If my choice is between abstaining from a free agent CF, and another bad contract, I think I'm on the abstaining side at this point.
I think he is. Call me crazy but I have a hunch that he would be good here. The most intriguing things about Upton is that he is the youngest of the FA's, has prime years left, will be cheaper than Bourn and Hamilton, and has supreme tools. He's had two huge seasons (albeit 4 seasons ago) that match his tools. I believe this team with Charlie and Henderson can get his approach back to where it needs to be. Again call me crazy, but I have a hunch that Upton would be good here.
That seems like an interesting option depending on what it would take. I'm not in favor of trading away more young talent, but I don't think it would take much to get him, and he is still young. Again he's someone who doesn't get on base, but he also wouldn't be attached to a potentially bad contract. He's also supposed to be ridiculously good defensively.
Bourjos is a nice player that is arguably the best defensive CF in the league. I would like to add him in a perfect world and spend money elsewhere, but I'm afraid their asking price would be too high. He's kind of an empty hitter though. All average, doesn't walk too much, strikes out a lot for the type of player he is, not a ton of pop. He's like a 7-8 hitter in the NL (Charlie would probably hit him 2nd) which is a tough spot to display your speed on the bases. I wouldn't hate the move but I fear the cost.
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Even if you swing and strike out, you at least swung at the ball to try to do something with it instead of just watching it or doing nothing... unless that's the wrong kind of thinking?
Not sure what you are trying the say? Generally when a guy strikes out a lot, he is productive somewhere else. Power hitters that strikeout a lot usually drive in a lot of runs (Howard, Granderson, Chris Davis). And then you have guys that strikeout a lot because they take a lot of pitches and get deep into the count (Dunn, Pena, Uggla). Of course their are some exceptions like Drew Stubbs and Danny Espinosa who didn't do a whole lot of either last year, but even those guys have power.
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