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11-15-2012, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by eva unit zero View Post

Getting scored against while shorthanded does not affect your plus-minus.
We weren't talking plus/minus. The comment was that Gretzky was on the ice for more goals against than any player in history - that IS affected by short handed goals when you're on the 1st PK unit.

My point was that using goals against was a stupid measurement - it punishes him for playing a long career in a high-scoring era and playing on the PK unit.

edit: My mistake, there was +/- talk in there as well, but what I was referring to was his comment about Gretzky being on ice for more goals against than any other player. As someone else mentioned, a lot of great players with long careers are on that list, including Bourque and Lidstrom. I hope no one is going to use this stat to measure them defensively.

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