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11-16-2012, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Sokil View Post
Those are the breaks. Trout didn't do even remotely as well as Cabrera when it counted. At the end of the day, one was quantitatively more valuable than the other, nobody is 'at fault' but those are how the chips fell. C'est la vie.

I would also like to add that this discounting of certain fundamental stats because of disparities in opportunity or attribution to team play don't fly in hockey (as this is a hockey board). Nobody says assists (and therefore, points) shouldn't count for the Hart trophy because those are a team stat. If they did they'd be laughed at.
Quantitatively using sabremetrics as well as taking into account more than .avg rbi and home runs... things like sb's... you're definitely right there was one player who could be considered quantitatively more valuable... and thats Trout.

As for the assists being a team stat... thats a fundamentally flawed comparison. Comparing assists to rbi would only work if essentially a player got on the ice and passed it to the same exact spot every time, regardless as to whether there was a player there to recieve it and score or not.

Hitting is hitting is hitting. Whether there are 3 men on base or 0, its the exact same skill. Putting the bat to the ball and hoping it lands somewhere it can't be corralled. Passing in hockey is MUCH different. You must get to open space, find the open player and put the puck on his stick. There are roughly infinity different scenarios and ways in which you can make a play to collect an assist. There is only one way to step to the plate and put the bat to the ball.

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