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11-16-2012, 11:46 AM
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I think you need to lay off the martini's, Martini.

The Jays got an all star shortstop whose 2 years removed from a batting title for a decent defensive SS prospect, and an underperforming primma donna problem child SS without much range, and who makes countless bonehead mistakes
They also get a player who has a history of injury who makes a ton of money whose career year was in his contract year while the Marlins not only get rid of that contract, they get to be just as bad while not spending a ton of money. In reality, it doesnt matter who got the better player, it matters that the Marlins were a last place team last year with a huge payroll and now they can be a last place team while having a payroll under 20 million.
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.... TWO top end of the rotation starters for Alvarez, a 4-5 guy,
Who are these two top end of the rotation guys?.....wait, you mean Burh and JJ? JJ is injury prone and hasnt lived up to his one great season and the jury is still out if he will ever match that level again. Lost velocity on his pitches have made him mediocre and a solid number three guy. You are not going anywhere if JJ is the ace of your staff. Burh is what he is, and saying he is a quality number four in a rotation isnt out of the question and takes Alverez spot nicely with the exception that now the Jays are the ones paying him. Now, stat bois and post up this or that about some sort of statistic here or there but the bottom line is Burh will be out there every fifth day trying to win. The Jays rotation as of now is filled with middle of the rotation types and nobody who is head and shoulders better then the field. It makes the Jays better, but they wernt that good in the first place so its better by default if you look at things objectively.
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and Nicolino who projects as a 3-4.
Really? Nicolino has been compared to Glavine and statsticly is the most impressive pitching prospect that was in the Jays farm system with an ungoldly walks per nine average and is further along and could help the Marlins as soon as next year.
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A solid OF prospect who is still very raw,
And one of the best prospects in baseball.........
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and another pitching prospect with limited upside
Anthony DeSclafani? He was a steal in the sixth round and projects to be en excellent middle/ spot starter type. Where is this limited upside when if he wasnt added into the trade he would have been a borderline top ten prospect after the gutting?

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for a switch hitting utility man with speed, something the team needed badly. On top of that, they swaped a catcher who can't hit at all, for a catcher who can hit a little bit and has a bit of pop.
fluff

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The Jays win this trade by a landslide.
No they dont. They took a huge amount of money from a team that was looking to get rid of it. They helped the Marlins by taking on questionable contracts and injury prone players while the Marlins pretty much picked and choosed whom they wanted from the Jays minor league system, recieved cheap players who will help out in the majors while the kids they got develop, all this while providing a dwindling fan base a last place team with the exception now being next years last place team will be cheaper, expected to be a last place team, and could suprise and make as run for mediocre in what would be considered nothing but a positive instead of last year which was a huge dissapointment.

The Jays? They took an a bunch of money in players who have a history of injury and an older pitcher who will go out there every fifth day but is a shell of what he once was. They over spent in giving up so much talent to a team that was looking to just get rid of salary, over looking the type of players they aquired and instead just looking at the names. The Jays are better now, but that isnt saying much considering the only team worse then them in their division pretty much gave up on their manager and even then, only beat the Red Sox by four games. A team, such as the Jays, who were hobbled by injury almost all of last year, imo, of course, shouldnt be picking up players who have a history of injury while using a deep farm system to get them when a couple of those players traded could have helped them sooner then later.
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If Reyes is injury riddled and Johnson walks as a FA, then it becomes close...
The money the Marlins dont have to spend throws the advantage into their favor.
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But if JJ performs, he'll get paid here..
But does he want to stay there?
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Just like Bautista did, just like Halladay did.
Halliday is gone and is getting paid by the Phillies.
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Although in the field the turf may be a concern for Reyes, at the plate it will likely benefit a guy with his speed for extra base hits.
It will also help speed up the deterioration of his joints. And with that horrible contract, isnt one of the best things for a player who is injured as often as Reyes.

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No logical person sees this as anything other then a huge win for the Jays at this time. Sure, theres risks involved, just like every other trade.. But if all the players coming to Toronto perform around career average, its not even close...

You're either a hater, or just delusional.
I am not a fan of either team, but think theres more to this trade then just the players involved. Loria wanted to get rid of money and found a sucker in AA. Thats the main reason for this fire sale and the Marlins got a boat load of talent in exchange for the Jays taking all of those contracts. Thats logical thinking without even trying to comprehend the talent exchanged. This was a money move for the Marlins who also got a ton of talent, while the Jays took on the money, and the questionable health thats tied into that money, and a one year, injury prone pitcher who has yet to live up to his one great year amidst injury.

Just looking at it from both sides instead of one.

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