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11-16-2012, 01:45 PM
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So much fail in this post.. I'm not sure where you get your information from, but most of it is wrong.
The main thing in this trade is that the Marlins are freed from the money owed. There isnt any fail in that fact and the obvious catalyst for this trade. It accomplishes what they wanted to do considering that after spending all that money they were still a last place team. The Jays, were a last place team last year with the exception that they were in a division with a Red Sox team that gave up on their manager and still, on paper, were a much, much better team then the Jays. This is all fact. Did this trade make the Jays better? Sure it did, but the Jays wernt that good in the first place before it and now have a bunch of question marks, MLB quality question marks but still question marks none the less. This, coming from a team decimated by injury last year, trading for more injury plagued players is, imo, of course, a head scratching trade. Thats my opinion, but I think that trying to rely on players who have a history of being unreliable isnt a good idea for a team that had to make some sort of significant move to keep up with the other teams in the division who have all moved forward instead of hold steady and wait for prospects to develop.

The main thing in this trade, is the Marlins wanted out of those contracts. They accomplished that. The talent aquired is irrelevant to that case.Right there, the Marlins win. The Jays needed to make this type of move in a very competitive division to stay relevent. They accomplished that, also. To say the Jays made out like bandits is preposterous when the Marlins not only got rid of all that money, but also got a treasure trove of talent to go along with getting rid of all that backloaded contract which will come back and bite them in the future once Burh and Reyes start to break down. This makes the Jays better now and hurried up their window of actually trying to be something in the east other then a doorstop and on that, i congrats AA for pulling this move off. But, as an honest observer, think it might be a mistake considering who they actually picked up. with the exception of a proven winner like Burh who will go out there every fifth day and keep the Jays in the game.
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Nicolino was in A ball this year, but he's going to help the Marlins next year?
Um, why not? Its not like the Marlins are deep at any position at any level and have a bevy of starters who will help them from being a last place team.
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DeSclafani doesn't have big upside. Marisnick does, but hes a long way away from it and far from a guarentee to ever even sniff the major leagues.
Thats projection considering nobody knows what will happen.
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Established major league talent >>>>>>> prospects
Injury prone MLB talent=prospects
Cheap prospects trump over paid MLB talent on a team with a budget, also.
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Why are you so concerned with money? Especially when the Blue Jays multi billion dollar ownership group isn't?
Because if you look at it from the Marlins standpoint, its the main reason this trade was actually made. Its great that the Jays went out opened the purse strings to get some talent, questionable talent, but still talent. The Marlins did what they always do, trading MLB talent while their value is high, so for a casual observer, this isnt anything new to me to see. I question if those players are actually worth those contracts, Reyes especially. Burh is what he is, but we shall see what happens.
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Halladay is getting paid by the Phillies now, but he re-signed multiple times throughout his prime while being widely regarded as the best pitcher in the game.
Um, ok?
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I don't know what JJ is thinking, but I do know players want to win. If he feels like he has a chance to win in Toronto, and is given a good finacial offer, why wouldn't he stay?
IMO, being in a division with proven winners such as the Yankees, Rays, and Red Sox, hurts a team like the Jays, but thats just me. Banking on a team to implode, which is what the Red Sox did last year, to move up in the standings in a stacked division isnt a feasable route to actually staying somewhere and hoping for the best when all JJ has to do is sign with the Yankees and know for a fact he has a much, much better chance at actually winning and playing in the post season. That isnt a knock on the Jays, its just a realistic view that there are better alternatives that hoping for career years from players and trying to beat franchises who know what it takes to win and will do whatever it takes so that they do.
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Toronto was a destination in the late 80's and early 90's due to the success and talent on the team. AA is trying to bring the culture back by parlaying prospects into established ML talent who likely wouldn't have signed here as free agents.
Times have changed. A team like the Jays should be more concerned with developing players thru their system instead of making huge splashes that might back fire on them in the future, but again, thats my opinion. Toronto is a big market, but I dont think the average player wants to play there when there are more lucrative places to play such as New York, Chicago, and the west coast. This isnt a knock, but good luck Burh plays a whole year in toronto when his roots are entrenched in the mid west. This is all speculation and hopefully things pan out for the Jays, I just dont see it happening.
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Every expert I've read or listened too, think the Jays did amazing. The Marlins took all the chances in betting that all the youth they acquired will pan out; that rarely happens. The Jays know what they got, and they like it. In one deal, AA addressed all the major needs of the organization.
The Jays got a bunch of high priced players, nothing more. They helped out Loria so he can do this yet again in three more years, took over the contractual obligations while handing over a huge amount of talent in the process. The Marlins, by that same token, did amazing too considering they reduced their payroll to almost nothing while getting a huge amount of young talent from one of the richest farm systems in baseball, while jettisoning conracts which were considered questionable when they handed them out in the first place.

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Sure, if every kid reaches his max potential then the Marlins look good in this deal. But realistically, that won't happen. None of the youth projects as all star type players and the Jays kept all their best prospects and all their high ceiling guys. Marisnick possibly being an exception if absolutely everything goes right for him.
And that is the great thing about this trade. If those often injured players get injured again, the Jays look silly for actually agreeing to it. This trade is fascinating in that reguard considering all of the circumstances surrounding it. Will JJ leave after the year? Will Burh get home sick, you cant ask for more then this.

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If you told any Jays fan we made this deal a month ago without giving up Gose, d'Arnaud, Sanchez or Syndergaard, and they likely don't believe it.
Gose isnt even ranked in the Jays top ten on BBA, D'Arnud is fragile like glass, and imo, Nicolino is a better prospect then Sanchez and Syndergaard. It reamins to be seen what actually happens with the prospects when all is said and done.

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