Thread (V): Argos embarass Eskimos; Changes need to be made. Nichols seriously hurt.
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11-19-2012, 10:58 AM
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No he didn't. Montreal won that grey cup. No one would talk about that penalty if it was in the first quarter as costing the Riders a grey cup. A penalty is a penalty. Doesn't matter when it happens. Montreal won. Saskatchewan Lost. Thats the end of it.
On Naylor he's a insider. He's very good at what he does although some of his arguments are one sided. Im pretty sure Naylor was at a training camp for the Riders one year quite a few years back. He know's a lot about the game.
I think having a franchise quarter-back is very important. Joseph won a grey cup. That's it, that's all. I think Joseph was in the same boat as Tillman was when he won his, he was just there at the right time. If you have a franchise QB you can become a dynasty. Without one sure you might win a grey cup or two but you won't be this team that makes it to the grey cup year after year. (Of course you will still need a supporting cast to make it there)
Its ridiculous for Naylor, or anybody else to suggest that losing Ray puts a team back 5-10yrs. For instance:
1)Where were the Eskimos the last several years. We were back anyway, over the last 6 seasons the worst Eskimos team in decades. So wheres this notion of putting us farther back coming from?
2)Look how quickly things change in the CFL. Ray comes into the league, sets it on fire in 2003 and who saw that coming at the time? BC gets Lulay rolling, get Arland Bruce and suddenly go from a losing team to contender/CFL champs literally overnight. Welcome to the happenchance of the CFL where virtually any club can put it together any year. This is not a 5-10yr plan league. Its a 1-2year plan league. Grab a clue Naylor.
3)Its asinine how anybody can talk about what it means to be losing Ray, without fully acknowledging that Ray was a recruit who quickly found his way in the CFL. As other recruited QB's have done before. The message being is if you lose a Ray theres really no telling how long it takes to replace. Maybe the replacing is fairly instantaneous or the number could be 1-3yrs. Who knows?
4)This is a club that had Warren Moon, Tom Wilkinson, Bruce Lemmerman at the helm in the 70's. Anybody could say it would take decades for the Eskimos to recover from losing those guys. Yet they had a turnstile of remarkable QB's in Allen, Ham, Dunnigan, and the forementioned unflappable Ricky Ray. The Eskimos remained competitive, and continued to win Grey Cups.
If anything, the worst lull in decades interestingly occurred WITH RR and was the worst this team had been since the 60's. So with or without RR bounceback was required.
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