Norris Trophy Pilfering '98 vs '11
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11-20-2012, 01:54 PM
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And yet every measurable stat shows that Bourque and especially Orr were both more effective overall than Lidstrom was.
Any defensive advantage Lidstrom has over Bourque and Orr is downed out rather quickly by their offense, puck possession and game control.
And dude, there were only 6 teams in Harvey's day and you can't punish him for not being able to play against what wasn't around yet and weren't good enough yet anyway.
A 6 team all Canadian league is NOT a shallow talent pool. They were the top 120 or so players in the world at the time and he didn't get nights where he was playing expansion/far weaker teams.
He was facing Gordie Howe and Bobby Hull 14 times a season EACH, not once or twice a season like Lidstrom faced Lemieux or Jagr or Crosby.
Bourque's playoff statistics don't show he was more effective than Lidstrom. You know, crunch time when you win Stanley Cups? His regular season stats are skewed by playing in the high scoring 80's and in a non fully integrated league void of players from the other hockey power at that time, Russia.
Lidstrom went head to head against Lindros, Crosby, Sakic, and Forsberg, among others in playoff series and faired very well.
I can't punish Harvey for playing in the O6 but we should certainly keep in mind that it was an all Canadian league for the most part at a time when hockey still had a lot of growing to do in Canada. You can only keep denying this for so long until it will just sound too absurd to ignore.
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