2012 CBA Discussion Part IV (Lockout talk here)
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11-21-2012, 10:59 AM
Join Date: Nov 2011
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I don't believe so MMB. I believe the monies allocated to players salaries increases every year by 1.75%, however if revenue increases at the rate suggested it would mean that their percentage of revenue would actually decrease. They want their 1.88 billion with a 1.75% increase each season regardless of what revenue does.
Mirtle looks a bit more closely at that very proposal right here and talks about just that issue:
Again, the players want their money. They're creatively trying to find a way to make the financials work so that teams aren't losing so much money without cutting player salaries, and in fact increasing player salaries. As Dom mentions they want the owners to foot the bill for the lockout, meaning even more money out of pocket for them with teams already bleeding money.
So players want to increase revenue sharing, but the teams actually making money as few as they are don't want to. Can't really blame a franchise like Toronto for not
wanting to have their profits cut into even more considering Rogers/Bell dropped 1.32 billion on the company (yes that included the Raptors, Marlies, and Toronto FC as well). Of course they aren't going to want to pay money to a team like Nashville so that they can go out and spend ridiculous amounts of money on a guy like Shea Weber (what is it, 40 million in the first two years) or so that Carolina can sign Jordan Staal to a 60 million dollar contract.
Other then the teams making actual money not wanting to increase revenue sharing, even if you still managed to convince them too that might help the teams that are losing money now make a small profit, but in many cases that doesn't allow them to spend to the Cap ceiling and still be profitable. They'd be turning a small profit yes (again, guys like Johnny Boychuk would turn a larger profit every season then many teams), but they still wouldn't be able to be competitive salary wise. Look at the teams losing money, look at how close to the cap floor most of those teams play it. Do you want an NHL where certain teams can be taken advantage of because they need to operate with an internal cap limit because the ceiling is too high for them to realistically reach? I don't for reasons stated previously, mainly, it doesn't make for a 30 team competitive league.
Typical. So the players should have to make concessions because the owners don't want to do more revenue sharing? That is a owners issue.. not a players. This is why i wish there weren't so many jobs on the line. The teams that don't make money would either fade away because god forbid teams like toronto, boston, and other teams make good money and have to spread it around.
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I don't fully understand the make whole piece and haven't formed my opinion on it, but I do have an opinion on your first and last bullets.
You negotiate the next deal when you love the current one because you know the current one is ending. It's guaranteed, and you're going to have to negotiate it at some point. Why not start early, to try and avoid the cluster**** we're in now?
Why should the owners agree to extend the old deal? All that does is push out the deadline, and most likely interrupt the season when it's already in progress. Let's say the owners agreed to start the season under the old CBA and set a Thanksgiving deadline for a new one. The players already said the didn't want to negotiate while the season was happening (which is complete ********), so why would that stance have changed? We would have had 2 months of a season, and then be dealing with this lockout -- which would have been completely infuriating.
I don't get why the players have to or should negotiate during the season. I don't want any player on my team or several not paying attention their job to get into a pissing contest during the season. People act like this **** wouldn't be happening if they negotiated during the season. The egos would still be there and it would stretched for a longer period of time.
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