Is Alfie a HOF'er?
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11-22-2012, 01:30 PM
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Regina, SK
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five years ago, i would have (and did) pushed for alfredsson. maybe even three years ago.
now, i'm not so sure.
five years ago, with him leading the sens' finals run fresh in our memories, we either thought he'd turned a corner playoff-wise, or kind of forgot about all of the sens' miserable playoff runs previous to '07. even three years ago, it seemed like there was more where '07 alfredsson came from.
but then he fell back to being a PPG scorer, never made it out of the first round again, and then a couple of years ago his play fell off a cliff.
looking back at his whole career, what i thought was going to get him in-- the longtime pillar of the franchise thing, the heart and soul thing, and the best player on a team that went to the finals thing-- don't seem as impressive. my argument for him then would have been the patrik elias argument. now i think the best argument for alfredsson is the gartner argument-- and i don't think that aflredsson can fake his way into the HHOF with longevity and consistency the way gartner did because his era didn't facilitate the monster career numbers.
now i'd sooner induct alffie than gartner, and he certainly peaked higher. but after the one year when he was a top five scorer, he just has less than a handful of finishes where he was barely top ten. very gartner-esque. add to that the very gartner-esque playoff record (the '07 run excepted), and i don't know that i could put him above elias, who for me is something a cut-off guy for that era.
I just wanted to point out that Gartner is in no way in Alfie's class as a producer.
these are just rough numbers taken from a spreadsheet quickly, and do not account for ties (i.e. a 33rd might actually be part of a 4-way tie for 30th) but does fine for illustrative purposes.
Gartner's best points finishes: 11, 17, 26, 30, 31, 31, 40, 42, 43, 43
Alfredsson's best: 5, 8, 9, 17, 18, 20, 25, 27, 32, 47
Alfredsson's 9th best offensive season is approximately as impressive as Gartner's 4th, even before you take the larger league and deeper talent pool into consideration.
then there is their respective two-way games. Gartner's has actually gotten pretty underrated here. I've realized after reading a lot of old scouting reports that he was a lot more gutsy and responsible than I usually gave him credit for (not a Brian Propp, but more like a Joe Mullen than a peter Bondra). But Alfredsson obviously has him beaten in these areas as well.
In the playoffs, Gartner has three more points in 11 more games, but played in an era with much higher scoring and when making the playoffs was easier to do.
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