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11-22-2012, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BraveCanadian View Post
Yeah, that one season where he was at superstar level before Orr really took off was a fluke, and then the ones after where he went even higher were just a product of Orr.

That sounds a lot more likely than Espo was becoming great as Orr was hitting his stride and then Espo and Orr together were even better and smashed their respective records for forwards and defensemen.

I know which one seems more reasonable to me.
Read my posts 40 and 59 in this thread about the TGF for Orr and Phil in 68 and 69 and the more probable conclusion is presented there.

I do think Boston underachieved in the playoffs but Espo still has a pretty darn good playoff resume.

Messier's is also very good and he is certainly much more versatile.

I haven't voted yet because I really can't decide. If I was building most styles of teams I would choose Messier easily but picking which players was just plain better is really hard.
Take a closer look at both guys playoff resumes, it's not even close in terms of results versus expectations in individual terms.

Mark is a lock top 10 all time playoff performer and Phil is.... maybe top 50?

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