Round 2, Vote 4 (HOH Top Goaltenders)
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11-23-2012, 02:32 PM
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What are you talking about, my claim that there are goalies in the minor leagues with good technique because they don't have NHL athleticism and other attributes?
I was referring to guys like Yann Danis and Cedrick Desjardins who do very well at the minor league level but can't even hold down backup jobs in the NHL.
It takes much more than just being technically sound to be one of the 30 best in the world at your job.
OK, just wanted to confirm. But suggesting that one technical flaw caused all of Holecek's bad performances while somehow failing to impact all of his good ones would require a mountain of video evidence to support it. Count me as highly, highly skeptical of that oversimplified explanation.
Not understanding what you're asking here. I'm not making a case about any specific technical flaws because I don't think they are particularly relevant when rating goalie careers in retrospect.
If you're scouting a prospect or trying to pick a starting goalie in training camp then subjective evaluations will be relied on to attempt to project performance, and that's when you need to be concerned about something that could be exploited by the opposition. But when you're looking back on a goalie's entire career, then what's the relevance? Any weaknesses are already in their performance record because they would have caused goals against.
If you're right that Holecek had an exploitable flaw, then he probably did lose some games because of it. We don't need to take off any additional points off.
The only exception to that is if a case can be made that the rest of the team protected the goalie well enough that his flaws weren't exposed. You've made some points towards suggesting that Czechoslovakia was pretty good defensively in the 1970s, but I'm not sure I'm completely sold yet on that one.
Yann Denis and Cederick Desjardins types lack the stamina to play at the NHL levels. Look at their minor league or developmental stas and you will see that they were playing at best a small majority of their team's games.
In other words you do not know what the flaw is nor do you appreciate its importance. Hint Isaac Newton figured it out.
Last bolded. The logic exhibited is terribly flawed. Projecting forward also includes eliminating the non-candidates because they simply will be exploited at the next level by faster execution. Looking back at a goalies career, the technical flaw(s) have the same importance because they explain the reason why the performance was not always at the same level, why the goalie did not achieve certain benchmarks or how he was used by his coaches.
In the Game 2 Canada Cup game film you see Karel Gut pull Holecek right away because he realized that Holecek was out of his element yet the game was still salvagable. Gut also used to yank Holecek at other times. Mentioned up thread.
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