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Originally Posted by jkrx
Sundin also played in a higher scoring era internationally while Alfie came along when it was defensive.
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Sundin played in the 1991 Canada Cup. Other than that, up until 2006 they both played on the same top level Swedish teams. I don't think anyone, especially people in Sweden, thought anyone else but Sundin was the straw that stirred the drink on those Swedish teams.
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Originally Posted by trentmccleary
Is a 70 point player in 82 games better than a 68 point player in 68 games?
How come Dave Andreychuk isn't in the HoF despite being what? ... 6th in games played.
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Not sure why Dave Andreychuk gets brought up again, but Sundin was a model of consistency even in a lower scoring era. He was a point a game guy in the dead puck era every year on average, never dropping below 72 for almost two decades. That has to count a bit more than someone who didn't break out into the NHL until 24.
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Sundin was stayed healthier and played longer; Alfredsson had a higher peak.
Alfredsson outproduced Sundin (PPG) in 8 of the last 9 seasons that they played in the NHL together, including 4/5 pre-lockout seasons.
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To make it a little broader let's look at their best seasons in the top 20 of points:
Sundin - 4, 7, 11, 12, 13, 15, 19, 20
Alfredsson - 5, 8, 9, 15, 18, 19
You have got to see a noticeable edge for Mats here. This is where his consistency and longevity outstrip Alfie. It is hard to make a case for Sundin being the worse player
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1998-99
Alfredsson = 4-1-2-3
Ottawa's 1st line:
Yashin = 4-0-0-0
McEachern = 4-2-0-2
Dackell = 4-0-1-1
1999-2000
Alfredsson = 6-1-3-4
Ottawa's 1B line:
Hossa = 6-0-0-0
Bonk = 6-0-0-0
Arvedsson = 6-0-0-0
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Hmmm. See, showing that he did more than Yashin isn't necessarily something to brag about.
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He had plenty of excellent postseasons, you just seem to be pointin to the only one that was Conn Smythe worthy and grouping all the rest together as "crap".
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He had one great postseason, 2007. There are many "crap" ones after that and other "mediocre ones". Where are these "plenty of excellent seasons?"
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Alfredsson played in the WHC's twice between the ages of 26-38yo.
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Yeah, that matters little. Maybe less than little. Use top level tournaments only.