Norris Trophy Pilfering '98 vs '11
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11-25-2012, 09:01 PM
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Goaltending stats 2010-11.
That's every goalie who spent time with one of those teams that year. Howard doesn't look too good statistically in that comparison. And he didn't look good on the ice, either. For reference, Howard's GAA (assuming consistent sv%) would have been approximately the same with Rinne's SA/60, just under 3 with Thomas' SA/60, and just over 3 with Hiller's.
Notably, the Wings gave up over 240 goals. As a team, they were 7th in GAA in 2009-10 and 2011-12. In 2010-11? 23rd. A large part of that was Howard's off year. Lidstrom being on the ice a ton of the time against the best players with Howard coughing up bad goals and making glaring errors is obviously going to hurt Nick's numbers more.
That's a good point re: Lidstrom's plus-minus. But shot-based metrics showed similar results. Lidstrom's Corsi rating (plus-minus of shots directed at net per 60 minutes) was 2.65, fourth lowest on the Wings. When Lidstrom was off the ice Detroit's Corsi rating was 9.5.
Lidstrom had previously posted outstanding numbers according to this metric.
Lidstrom's Corsi ratings (off-ice numbers in parentheses)
2008 - 20.0 (15.6)
2009 - 18.1 (13.7)
2010 - 15.5 (4.9)
2011 - 2.6 (9.5)
I'm sure playing with Stuart instead of Rafalski had something to do with it, but Lidstrom came by his negative plus-minus in 2010-11 honestly. Detroit just didn't control the play with him on the ice as they had in previous years.
The comparable Corsi numbers for Chara and Weber in 2010-11 are
Chara: 9.1 (-2.9)
Weber: 2.7 (-4.5)
I would have voted for Chara, not Weber, btw.
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