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11-26-2012, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Alawishis View Post
Ray was certainly a good QB, one of the best we've seen in green and gold. There were a lot of reasons he was not triving here lately and most of it has nothing to do with his talent or dedication. I have no doubt in my mind that without Ray TO does not even make it to the Grey Cup. We handed them the cup with that horrible trade. Having said that, like many here, I'm not completely against the idea of trading Ray. The only thing is if you do it, get something for him. Tillman made a trade for the trade's sake. Those are the worst kind of trades as there is no accountablitly to the team. We got robbed plain and simple. Now we have no viable QB options for some time.

Tillman screwed this team over for the sake of his own pride. To add insult to injury he traded away our #1 draft pick for a kicker we didn't really need. It smells like a conspiracy, but even if it wasn't there is no question Tillman was never in it for the team. When the GM refused to move to the city they should have canned him.

Trading RR was not a bad option. He seemed to have lost his passion and desire to go all out and succeed here, probably brought on by incompetent managment and coaching, so tough to blame him. The way things were going here, we were never going to win a cup with him, so it's just as well he moved on. Problem is, they didn't get back anyone name Tate or Lulay, and had no one that was ready in the stable, so it was a terrible time to move Ray.

I think the thing that still irks me the most is Tillman trading away the 1st and 4th round picks for the Frodo kicker from Montreal, saying Shaw needed help, and then never playing him, other than one ill-fated FG attempt. What a year.

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