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11-27-2012, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Reimer View Post
Regardless the college/university education doesn't mean much. What's an arts degree going to do for someon playing professional sports?

On the flip side of the coin and I understand why Biz was defending the blanket comment by the ignorant fan but for the guys he was saying that went to Harvard and Yale what does that really mean? Alright you a guy who got his undergrad in Arts or hell even nursing or physical education, does it make them smarter for business negotiations? Let's say they have a commerce degree, I mean while it may help them be more educated it doesn't make them competent of a negotiation until they are actively involved in one. Sitting back and being faithful to your side isn't being actively involved in a negotiation.

So really a professioanal sports player who has an education or doesn't really hasn't had enough real world experience to have that education apply to anything since they've been so wrapped up in conditioning and pro sports. So one group really isn't any wiser than the other. The seperation in the two groups usually comes after pro-sports when one group is flat-ass broke with an addiction problem and one group has found something to do and is able to live a sustainable life. However these groups aren't necessarily divided by post-secondary and non-post-secondary.
If I can find the article I will re post it. A few years ago a uni player was more or less told by the uni to turn pro because he would not get a diploma. While the official records had him passing classes, in reality he was being marked up and was helped by the marking curb that the uni used.

For me the statement "Football and Basketball players are smarter because they go to uni" needs to be argued greatly. While some players do take full advantage the scholarship to uni--most do not. The NCAA is an organization I have great problem with, they flex their muscle when the main stream media tries to gather information about graduation rates, school marks and other key points of what the players should be doing at school. In the 90's the NCAA got exposed for being not as transparent as they claimed to be. When the question was raised about graduation or marks on either 60 minutes or 22/20 the NCAA produced all this information about an 80% graduation average of ALL NCAA athletes. Well, while this is true, that 80% include stuff like golf, wrestling, athletics and every other sports you can find on most universities. Something like only 20% of football starters actually get their degree and as stated most Uni encourage the players to come out after 3 years. because in that fourth year they get their degree and as much money as Football and Basketball bring to the UNI--When something like 10 to 15 uni grads went before congress as said that they barely went to school and other people had written their papers. UNI reputation is built upon having legit grads.

here is a book to read

William C. Rhoden's Forty Million Dollar Slaves: The Rise, Fall, and Redemption of the Black Athlete

I read it a year ago and it was an interesting read in how Athletes, in this case Black, our Sheppard through SOME unis and do not attend classes.

Dexter Manley graduated from Oklahoma State, but he could not read or write and when asked what he graduated in, he had no idea. Lawrence taylor was another footballer who said his Uni creds were not legit

here are some articles to read

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...sports/308643/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Souther...otball_scandal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univers...letics_scandal

problems at with the NCAA

http://www.dukechronicle.com/article/problem-ncaa
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/13/sp...e-surface.html
http://www.maizenbrew.com/2012/8/3/3...ncaa-and-its-a
http://www.sbnation.com/college-foot...13-commitments
http://blogergism.blogspot.co.uk/201...sanctions.html
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/comme...ory?id=5420728

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