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11-29-2012, 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Czech Your Math View Post
That's why I mentioned overall ES effectiveness (adjusted plus-minus).

Crosby '07 1.45 GF/GA ratio at ES, 1.64x team's ratio w/o him on ice
Crosby '11 1.79 On, 1.82 On/Off
1. Where do you get your data? Just asking so we're all speaking the same language.

2. ES effectiveness is not a comprehensive stat. There are other relevant stats and context to consider. Because Crosby was an elite faceoff man (a stat worth considering) on a team lacking in good faceoff men, he was needed for defensive draws and had a very low offensive start percentage for a star (47%, lowest on the Pens), which would certainly seem to make it more difficult to produce.

Originally Posted by livewell68 View Post
It's not opinion is pretty much a fact.

Jagr in his prime was 6'3. 225-245 lbs and could beat you with his size, reach, strength, stickhandling and or speed.
No, it's exactly an opinion.

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