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Originally Posted by Rowdy Roddy Peeper View Post
It'd be useful to see Crosby's '10-'11 numbers and those of each of the players who had better seasons according to this metric, and how they fared relative to their next-best teammate.

I don't mean to send you on a statistical goose-chase, I just have very little practical knowledge of this sort of thing.
Here's the top 56 "half seasons" in terms of adjusted PPG from '94 to '12. ES GF/GA ratio with player on the ice and On/Off ratios are also listed. For comparison with Crosby's 2010-11 half season, it's important to remember that those ratios are for the full season, so in each player's best 41+ game stretch that season, it's very likely that their ratios were often significantly higher as well. Amazingly, Crosby's 2011 is the 18th best of the 55 player-half seasons in adjusted PPG and also both 18th/55 in ES GF/GA ratio and On/Off ratio. Again, considering that the ratios for other players are for full seasons, Crosby's ranking (among these 55 half seasons) would likely be lower if compared to those players' half season ratios. This would seem to contradict the notion that his half season was more outstanding due to "all around" play, rather than pure offensive brilliance (no surprise there, honestly). There are also other factors to consider: quality of linemates, defense/goaltending, off-ice comparisons, and the fact that forwards can control offensive portion more than defensive portion of the ratios. Crosby did not have the best linemates and had Malkin's line as part of off-ice comparison, neither of which helps him much.

HS FS FS
PLAYER Year PPG GF/GA On/Off
Lemieux 1996 2.54 1.20 0.99
Jagr 2001 2.01 1.40 1.34
Jagr 1996 1.98 1.50 1.44
Lemieux 1997 1.94 1.47 1.97
Jagr 2000 1.94 1.68 2.03
Lemieux 2001 1.90 1.51 1.39
Lemieux 2003 1.89 0.70 0.46
Selanne 1999 1.88 1.53 2.50
Jagr 1999 1.85 1.37 1.70
Forsberg 2003 1.83 2.47 2.55
Lindros 1999 1.82 2.05 2.36
Crosby 2007 1.82 1.45 1.64
Ovechkin 2010 1.80 2.34 1.89
Francis 1996 1.80 1.46 1.33
Lindros 1997 1.76 1.85 1.64
Jagr 1998 1.76 1.56 1.63
Ovechkin 2008 1.75 1.59 1.97
Crosby 2011 1.74 1.79 1.82
Gretzky 1994 1.74 0.76 0.88
Malkin 2012 1.73 1.46 1.42
Sakic 2001 1.70 2.28 2.10
Jagr 1997 1.69 1.47 1.88
Malkin 2008 1.68 1.44 1.44
LeClair 1999 1.67 2.27 1.78
Thornton 2003 1.66 1.32 1.39
Alfredsson 2008 1.65 1.24 1.21
Fedorov 1994 1.64 1.77 1.60
Lindros 1995 1.63 2.11 2.66
Crosby 2010 1.62 1.31 1.45
Thornton 2006 1.62 1.78 2.63
Kariya 1997 1.61 2.06 2.57
Thornton 2007 1.61 1.60 1.78
Malkin 2009 1.61 1.46 1.44
SedinH 2010 1.59 1.62 1.61
Selanne 1997 1.58 1.67 1.96
Forsberg 2001 1.57 1.93 1.46
Kovalchuk 2006 1.57 1.04 1.00
Ovechkin 2009 1.57 1.28 1.22
Bure 2001 1.56 1.10 1.60
Sakic 2000 1.55 1.82 1.91
LeClair 1997 1.55 1.98 2.37
Alfredsson 2006 1.55 1.85 1.32
Lindros 1996 1.55 1.47 1.17
Forsberg 2004 1.55 2.25 2.10
Jagr 2006 1.54 1.92 1.94
Bure 2000 1.54 1.48 1.46
Forsberg 1998 1.54 1.23 1.29
Bure 1994 1.53 1.10 1.16
St. Louis 2007 1.51 1.16 1.74
Gretzky 1998 1.51 0.97 1.34
Iginla 2007 1.51 1.26 1.03
Selanne 1996 1.50 1.22 1.43
Jagr 1995 1.50 1.71 1.78
Elias 2001 1.50 2.27 1.78
Fedorov 1996 1.49 2.44 1.77
Forsberg 1999 1.49 1.87 1.91
MEAN 1.68 1.60 1.67
MEDIAN 1.63 1.51 1.63

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Originally Posted by Rowdy Roddy Peeper View Post
That's why it's beneficial to incorporate other stats into the conversation, I'd say. Especially when they add value and context, such as faceoffs and zone starts.
Not sure how far back those stats go, and doubt they would change the On/Off numbers very much for non-shutdown forwards.


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