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12-01-2012, 06:11 PM
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Average for an NHL player? I strongly disagree. I'd say he's arguably the worst on the team when it comes to using his team mates among Leafs who actually have the puck a decent amount (i.e. excluding guys like Komisarek, or 4th liners). I think he definitely IS a puck hog, and is well below average in terms of playmaking/passing.
I still like him as a player, he brings a lot to the table with his shot, his skating, his strength, and his solid defensive play, but his vision is quite poor.
I'm sorry but I find that funny. He is just fine in terms of his passing. I could give you a couple examples of his vision/passing. From the NHL too. He tries too drive to the net much more than he maybe should but his passing and vision is fine.
I've seen the vast majority of his NHL games, and a few of his AHL games, and he's shown serious tunnel vision in most of them. Of course you can find a few good passes, all NHLers make good passes, but compared to other NHLers Frattin is really not a playmaker. That's not to say that he can't improve in this regard, but watch him play and it's clear that he looks very strongly for his shot, and often fails to recognize when his team mates are in good positions. If Frattin had great vision he'd be a good 1st line player, because everything else about his game is great (good skater, excellent shot, strong, solid puck handler, solid 2-way plat), it's his weak vision that makes him more of a "3rd liner with 2nd line upside." I like Frattin, he's a good player, but when he gets the puck his mentality is very similar to someone like Jason Blake.
Just so we're on the same page, when I talk about playmaking/passing, I'm not talking about the ability to hit a target with a pass, all NHLers can do that. I'm talking about his playmaking ability, vision, whatever you want to call it. The ability to consistently recognize when your team mates are in good positions, and to get the puck to them, or to even draw defenders and/or wait out the opposition specifically to put your team mates in good positions. Frattin is legitimately fairly bad at this compared to other NHLers. He can definitely score goals, but he does not use his team mates well.
Again, I do like Frattin as a player, but to say that he's an average playmaker (i.e. better than roughly 50% of all NHLers) is IMO way off.
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