Lockout Thread II
View Single Post
12-02-2012, 11:21 PM
Join Date: Dec 2009
Originally Posted by
The Bonus money was a requirement to even meet with Parise ,Suter. I will find you the link. His agent made that a requirement(to protect them from the CBA).
So yes they did hold the negotiating rights hostage. Although I would blame the agents more than the players for that.
Also the first NHL offer, everyone knows that wasn't a serious offer. So trying to frame your argument around it, is not going to convince anyone.
Like wise the NHLPA's offers (all of them) are nothing but smoke and mirrors. The only offer they have put fourth that is even in the realm of reality, is the last one they just submitted.
Both sides are complete tools. Neither side is serious about playing hockey. Both want to play the victim, both are dumb as rocks.
Also it's not about being competitive. Most of the owners want to see a return on investment.
Just cause you own a sports team, doesn't mean you should lose money.
If that were the cause, their wouldn't be ANY sport leagues.
YES. That is my point. Why would a league owner hand over hundreds of millions of dollars in new contracts, if they believed their business was in such terrible shape. I wouldn't do that. Would you? I think I made that point pretty clear in my previous response.
Second. You cannot say the NHL has never made a proposal with a salary rollback because the proposal which contained a salary rollback doesn't count. What was it then? This a multi-billion dollar industry, every proposal counts. Although I would agree with you, they made what even they knew to be just an absurd opening offer, but that doesn't change the fact that they offered it; and I would argue that has derailed the talks from the outset. Instead of extending an olive branch to the union, after they got pretty much everything they wanted during the last CBA negotiations, they instead tried to make it clear from the outset that they were going for more.
The fact is, we currently have no NHL hockey for a couple reasons. First, the owners were unable to control themselves and their general managers, and allowed salaries to inflate to all time highs. Second, the owners who make all the money do not want to share with the owners who are in tough markets. So, they are trying to make that up by trying to squeeze every last drop out of the players', banking on the fact that the longer this goes, at some point they will cave in to all their demands. They do not care about the fans. They are assuming we will all magically forget after this is all over. Guess we will see about that.
View Public Profile
Find More Posts by HockeyCA