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Originally Posted by GoofSlashFoig
You shouldn't, just like I don't care if the Rangers get worse. I don't think anyone will be losing sleep because kaneone doesn't care if the Blues get worse.
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I'm not asking for anyone to lose sleep.
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Originally Posted by bluemandan
Why should you care? So as not to be a dick.
Seriously, your one sided views will lead nowhere.
If you don't play along with the game, the game halts in its tracks (like it is currently doing), and nobody has fun. I could easily say in every thread, "Gimme more, I don't care how it affects you." And people would stop responding, the quality of posts would deteriorate, less people would visit the site, and we would all have to go elsewhere to try to find our fix of knowledgable hockey conversation.
Why should I care about making a legit proposal in first place? Nothing will happen from it. Most of us are here trying to have a good hockey conversation with knowledgable, like-minded people. I could post, "Teh Blues shud trade K. Russell 4 M. Staal, that'd rulz!" but the quality of the conversation deteriorates in a hurry. But that is the trade I'd like to see, so why shouldn't I post that? In order to facilate a conversation. So instead, we ask what the other side wants/needs, make proposals, get feedback, give feedback, listen to counterproposals, give feedback, get feedback, etc. until a conclusion is reached. Otherwise, we would all just be trying to shout over each other, like crickets chirpping on a summer's eve, all trying to out-do one another, but without even the payoff the crickets may enjoy.
You may not care, nor should you per se. However, to bastardize a phrase, "If you can't say something useful, don't say nothing at all."
Back on track: Just because Staal was the top defender on the Rangers before his concussion, and just because he would make an excellent partner for Pietrangelo doesn't mean that Staal is worth the trade value of a top teir, true #1 defenseman. While his defense is great, and his transition game above average, he still has never topped 30 points. Let's not value him like Keith, Suter, Chara, etc. I think the Brent Burns trade would be a great framework for a trade for a defenseman of Staal's caliber. I understand that the Rangers aren't interested in a quantity for quality swap at this point. Guess there isn't a deal to be made that works for both. (see how that works, I could just rolled with the Burns trade framework since I don't really care about the Rangers...
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The trade proposals here for Staal are just asking for the fair trade. Why should we want fair value for a player that the two teams clearly don't value the same? The offers I've been seeing don't get us any better. If you actually want Staal, you would give up what some of us want, and by doing that, you'd get worse. How is that my problem?
The proposal I saw for Staal would give us someone who isn't as good defensively, but better offensively, and a player who will be in our bottom 6. That may seem "fair," but why the hell do we want that? The only way we will give up our #1 defenseman is if you give up a lot, which clearly you don't want to do.
And clearly in your last paragraph, you're showing how we don't value him the same. How can we have a legitimate proposals when we don't have the same value for him? I mean, we couldn't even ask for Schwartz in a package?