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12-06-2012, 09:19 AM
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Why exactly? What's "dumb" about having a league uniting all of the world's top teams and top players, instead of having two or more such leagues? And what's "not dumb" about the status quo, with the best European players leaving for another continent so they pretty much never get to play in front of fans in the country where they grew up?
He's right. A global league isn't a feasible or clever idea. It's a gimmick. A global league in any sport isn't particularly feasible, because of the travel costs, disparity in economies and time zones. Unless you split up the conferences and have the winners meet each other ; but that isn't a global league and has many issues of its own.

The current status quo isn't dumb. It is realism. Players exist to make money. The money is in North America, hence they go there. Plus for many it is a desirable location. In soccer, we have many many good football nations, however, by and large, only a few domestic leagues really compete for top end talent. This is again because of money. It is a really simple concept, and European hockey isn't going to be able to compete economically anytime soon with the United States/Canada unless something drastic and crazy happens.


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Are you kidding, Vicente? Games against NHL teams would be a huge hit on the European side. Everyone would like to see them. As to the American side, if the European teams were competitive enough, they might definitely be a hit overseas, too. Remember how popular the various "Summit Series" have always been. If there was a world-wide hockey league, European stars like Ovechkin, Malkin, Kovalchuk, Selanne et al might never have left Europe... and you think they wouldn't draw big audience numbers overseas? I'm sure they would.
A huge hit for who? You're creating an idealistic concept without realising the ramifications it has for many. Who do you let into this league? How does it impact domestic hockey and development for individual European nations? What happens with those left behind? How does it impact the incentive to focus on youth development for those left behind? How do you financially make these players play in Europe? Do you require larger stadiums? Can the European population as a whole afford North American prices (Because how are these salaries going to be paid?)? How does the competition interact? How do different time zones impact the audience share? Will the average American/Canadian want to watch 2 European teams? Does the average Swede care about Frolunda versus CSKA or the Florida Panthers?

Honestly, there are so many variables and factors to think about when suggesting such an idea, and it seems as if you neglected all these in favour of simply going "Wouldn't it be cool if European stars played in Europe versus NHL teams!". Well yes, but i also imagine you would quite like to have pillow fights and bed time schlong talk with the cheerleaders of SKA in your bedroom. Doesn't mean it is feasible.


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Who says "month-long"? Are the KHL teams doing "month-long" trips to Siberia and Khabarovsk right now? Nope. Yet the distance covered is (for Central European teams) substantially greater than if they played a string of games on a road-trip, say, on the American East Coast.
Constant travel. Fans watching games on the television ... alot harder. The cost of travel. Very expensive. The desire for some fans to watch these games .... questionable. There is a difference between a couple of teams out east in the KHL and having a global league.

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Here is what I would like... I would keep the regular season 82 games long as it is now in the NHL, and I would let about a quarter of those games be played against teams from the other continent. That means:
  • 42 games against teams from one's own division (those divisions would be broader than they are in today's NHL and KHL)
  • 20 games against other teams from the same continent
  • 20 games against teams from a different continent
In terms of home and away games, there would be an even split so that, for example, in Slovan's case, the home games would be:
  • 21 home games against teams from one's own division
  • 10 home games against other teams from the same continent
  • 10 home games against current NHL teams, i.e. teams from a different continent
Because there are 30 NHL teams now, if the above model was adopted, Slovan would get to play against all NHL teams at home in a 3-year rotation, which I would find acceptable and which is similar to today's NHL setup.
Apart from how economically crazy i think the model proposed above is, how many teams do you intend on participating in this structure, and who are they?


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In terms of road trips, because a team would "only" be required to play 10 games per season on another continent, that could be done on 2 transatlantic road trips per 5 games each. 5 games hardly require a month, do they? In fact, there are much longer road trips in the current NHL.


That would be great!
Even this is very very far from ideal for teams.


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You know what... If the Finnish economy is down on its knees, perhaps that's the ideal scenario for a Finnish team to join the KHL. I'm half-kidding, but Slovakia's economy is in a terrible state, we're feeling the full impact of the financial crisis... and still Slovakia managed to send a team to the KHL the last 2 seasons. I should also mention that it is especially in times of crises that people seek diversion, in the world of sports, from the unhappy state of economy and politics. When everything is moving along smoothly, people are hardly likely to welcome any change to the status quo. But when things go bad, as they have in Slovakia in recent years, teams are pressed to look for new and better solutions, as Slovan did.
One team. This year, Slovan, the most popular and economically powerful team. A team that in the KHL, is not economically powerful relative to some of its opponents.

We also one year in to the experiment. Let us see how it plays out for both Slovan and the remaining clubs in Slovakia. What Slovakia needs is better youth development and a better quality domestic product.

As i've said before, i think the KHL should be focusing on developing Russian markets rather than expanding west. Milan is a crazy idea to me. I don't want to see Swedish/Finnish teams in the KHL, because currently, they are developing talent just fine.

But the concept of a global league is pure fantasy. You've ignored the main reason it does not exist in the first place ; economics.

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