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Marc Staal to St. Louis
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12-06-2012, 10:30 AM
Ya Ma Goo!
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Originally Posted by
I'm not asking for anyone to lose sleep.
The trade proposals here for Staal are just asking for the fair trade. Why should we want fair value for a player that the two teams clearly don't value the same? The offers I've been seeing don't get us any better. If you actually want Staal, you would give up what some of us want, and by doing that, you'd get worse. How is that my problem?
The proposal I saw for Staal would give us someone who isn't as good defensively, but better offensively, and a player who will be in our bottom 6. That may seem "fair," but why the hell do we want that? The only way we will give up our #1 defenseman is if you give up a lot, which clearly you don't want to do.
And clearly in your last paragraph, you're showing how we don't value him the same. How can we have a legitimate proposals when we don't have the same value for him? I mean, we couldn't even ask for Schwartz in a package?
Wow. See, was that so hard? A legit, well reasoned, explained thought process that continues the conversation.
It is a value of thread, and the OP threw out some names. If they weren't to your liking, throw out some different ones instead.
But it is obvious that you overvalue Staal because he plays for your team. While I understand that you want an overpayment, to suggest that he would return something similar to what Weber, Keith, or Chara would is absurd.
After some back and forth conversation, Schwartz was put back on the table. Why? Because Blues fans listened to Rangers fans and put him back on the table.
You seem to think the Blues should trade Backes and Pietrangelo for Staal and Rupp. That would work great for you, right?
This sentenance says everything, "If you actually want Staal, you would give up what some of us want, and by doing that, you'd get worse. How is that my problem?" You come to the table assume that the Blues MUST get worse in order for the Rangers to get better. No deals can EVER be made if you are more concerned with the otherside losing, look no further than the NHL and NHLPA. There are such things as "WIN-WIN" trades, which is what we are trying to find.
When you make closed statements like 'not enough', 'no interest in that guy', or 'I don't care about your team's needs', it ends conversations. You provide no feedback, so we have no idea what the Rangers wants and needs are. Withouth that information, we make stupid assumtions, like you might be interested in a ~40+ point 23 year old defenseman. How are we supposed to know any better if you don't contribute?
Also, I thought McDonagh was your top defender. Put up more points with a better plus/minus than Staal ever has. Staal has never topped 30 points, and he is a +7 in five NHL seasons. McDonagh put up 32 points last season, and is a +41 over two NHL seasons. How again is Staal better?
Neither Staal or McDonagh are in the same category as Chara or Weber. You want an overpayment of the level it would take to get Chara or Weber? Fine. Then say that. Don't be a jerk and shoot down questions without contributing to the conversation. You came into this thread pissed-off, despite it being a value-of thread and not a proposal thread. Chill out dude.
You say you don't want to make any deal unless it makes the Rangers better. Why can't you see the same applies for the Blues? Blues fans are trying to see how Rangers fans value Staal, and if there is a deal that could help both teams. You are only interested in shooting those ideas down without offering any of your own. Its kinda sad really.
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