Thread: Satan vs Vanek
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12-06-2012, 06:42 PM
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There is no way to know if Satan was actually a good penalty killer or not, since he was backstopped by Hasek. I certainly don't remember him for his defense, and I doubt he was any better defensively than Vanek. Both of these guys are valuable for one thing only - scoring.

Satan and Vanek each played 7 full seasons for the Sabres (I'm not counting the 12 games Satan played in '96-97).

Here are Satan's rankings in the league for Goals and Points for each year (I think that's the best way to compare offensive players across eras, since scoring changes over time):

'97-'98:
Goals: tied for 55th
Points: tied for 84th

98-99:
Goals: tied for 25th
Points: tied for 7th

99-00:
Goals: tied for 32nd
Points: tied for 16th

00-01:
Goals: tied for 45th
Points: tied for 61st

01-02:
Goals: tied for 9th
Points: tied for 17th

02-03:
Goals: tied for 45th
Points: 23rd

03-04:
Goals: tied for 21st
Points: tied for 41st

AVERAGE:
Goals: 33rd
Points: 36th


Here are Vanek's rankings:

05-06
Goals: tied for 69th
Points: tied for 137th

06-07:
Goals: tied for 5th
Points: tied for 19th

07-08:
Goals: 13th
Points: 52nd

08-09:
Goals: tied for 5th
Points: tied for 51st

09-10:
Goals: tied for 31st
Points: tied for 78th

10-11:
Goals: tied for 14th
Points: tied for 15th

11-12:
Goals: tied for 45th
Points: tied for 49th

AVERAGE:
Goals: 26
Points: 57

However, if you throw out Vanek's rookie year, which was easily his worst, his rankings improve to:
Goals: 18.8
Points: 44

Throwing out Satan's worst year (which isn't as relevant since it wasn't his rookie year), doesn't change his numbers much.

I understand this isn't scientific, but it suggests that: (a) Vanek is a better goal scorer; (b) Satan got more assists; (c) the numbers are closer than I would have thought; and (d) Vanek is more inconsistent than Satan but is capable of being one of the elite scorers in the league. i.e., his best is better than Satan's best.

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