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Morgan Rielly discussion thread.
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12-06-2012, 06:59 PM
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First off, I said nothing about top 5.
Schenn was clearly mishandled though, and Kadri looks to be headed on the same path straight out of the organization. you're also wrong about Steen, to name one.
The Leafs always rush the latest name in as soon as they can. Rielly will be no exception, bank on it.
I don't care if you said anything about top five picks, the fact remains players of that pedigree often make the bigs straight out of the draft, and with the exception of Schenn, most of those from the previous lockout who did make it are or are on their way to being impact players.
Steen wasn't rushed. I don't know what you're talking about. He was drafted in 2002 and made his debut in the NHL, a successful 45 point season, in 2005-06. He developed in the SEL for three years. The fact that he regressed says more about the environment and mishandling here than it does being thrown into the fire too early.
The Leafs don't "always rush the latest name as soon as they can." That's a simplification on the matter. The fact that guys like Pogge didn't make it is the result of them being flawed prospects as opposed to being brought along too quickly. I mean, here's a rundown off the top of my head of Leaf prospects over the years.
Nik Antropov: made the NHL in 2000 after being picked in 1998. He probably could have been groomed a little more thoroughly instead of seeing spot duty for so many years and never quite breaking out as a quality player, but it's not like he was ruined, having played 750 games at the NHL level.
Luca Cereda: wasn't rushed, didn't make it due to heart problems.
Brad Boyes: drafted in 2000, hadn't seen a minute of NHL action with Toronto as of 2003, when he was traded away.
Karel Pilar: drafted as a 23 year old European who was expected to jump straight into active duty, wasn't really rushed due to his advanced age when drafted. Just wasn't much of a player.
Carlo Colaiacovo: spent a lot of time in the OHL and AHL with spot call ups. In 2005-06, he spent 21 games in the NHL after being drafted in 2001.
Alex Steen: drafted in 2002, made his successful rookie debut in 2005-06.
Justin Pogge: overrated goaltending prospect was drafted in 2004, allowed to develop in the CHL, won awards there, won a gold in the WJC putting on a dominant performance, and then spent parts of three years in the AHL before making a lousy 7 game appearance in the NHL in 2008-09. Hardly rushed. He just sucked.
Anton Stralman: hailed as a highly skilled offensive defenseman, had a difficult up an down development curve in Toronto, but was drafted in 2005 and didn't make his NHL debut until 2007-08.
Jiri Tlusty: this guy was drafted in 2006 and made his NHL debut in 2007-08. Of all these players, he seemed to have been rushed the most, since he seemed like a kid with no ability to keep up with the competition on most nights. Kind of a victim of being here during the last days of JFJ and was dumped too early by Burke.
Dale Mitchell: a guy people had moderate hopes for who was basically a marginal prospect who never saw the light of day.
Matt Frattin: drafted in 2007, allowed to develop anonymously at the lower ranks as a low end prospect before turning pro in 2011-12.
Jimmy Hayes: highly touted prospect who slipped to the second round in 2008. Took the NCAA route and hadn't turned pro when the Leafs dumped him at the 2010 draft.
Luke Schenn: rushed for sure, but handled himself competently. Has since struggled to develop his skills and suffers from confidence issues.
Nazem Kadri: definitely not rushed. Has been given spot duty but hasn't been thrown to the fire at all. Some people charge that he's been held back too long.
Brad Ross: not rushed.
Jerry D'Amigo: probably rushed into the pros too early, but hasn't made an appearance on the big roster yet, so he's still a work in progress.
Tyler Biggs and Stuart Percy: not rushed.
Morgan Rielly: haven't even seen him in camp and people are afraid he's been rushed, which the above proves is a completely inaccurate and cliched depiction of Leafs development.
Fact is we haven't had a lot of quality being put into the system. The kids we bring up fail but are probably failing because they're marginal talents to begin with, not that they're future superstars who were ruined because they weren't coddled properly.
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