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12-11-2012, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Chancellor Vitale View Post
It started off... way too late on account of the owners...
Pardon me for cherry-picking one statement from a lengthy paragraph, but how do you justify this viewpoint? The owners have screwed up repeatedly throughout this process, but I thought it was pretty clear to everyone following this mess that Fehr is the reason it took so long for the negotiations to start.

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Put another way, if in October the NHL came back with a second offer that provided:

+ A mutually acceptable (revised) definition of HRR, where the players would go from 57% to 50% of that revenue pie over the next 2 or 3 years, then stay at 50% for the duration of an 8 or 10 year CBA.

+ No changes whatsoever to UFA or RFA eligibility rules

+ 5 year maximums for FA going to new teams, 7 years for existing teams

+ $300M in make whole money directly from the owners

+ Revenue sharing that was exactly what the players asked for

There would be a new CBA right now. This is all brinksmanship and games.
Sure about that? The players are just as guilty of "brinkmanship and games" as the owners are, and every time the owners have offered concessions, the players have turned around to see what else they can get (the "moving goalposts" analogy that is often brought up). The season may have started by now if the owners had made that offer earlier in the process, but I'm not entirely convinced the players wouldn't have pushed for a lot more before finally settling.

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But the PA didn't take the high road last week when some very decent owners came to the table to fix the problem created by *******s like Jacobs and Snider. No one was asking them to "sign the agreement without Don", so that whole line of reasoning is pure spin IMO. Not much respect at all for Hainsey in that stretch.
In fairness, the owners didn't take the high road either. If you can look past the excessive (to put it diplomatically) rhetoric, Jiggy is right in saying that there's not that big of a difference on the owners' end between 5/7 year contracts and 8 year contracts. They could have negotiated further from that point rather than breaking off talks again.

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