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12-11-2012, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Chancellor Vitale View Post
I will say in reading the big argument here I agree with Jiggy that both sides have their share of blame in this year's mess (in particular). It started off very badly and way too late on account of the owners, who I believe intended to lock the players out all along, but did not expect it to go this far. Eventually they came around and ended up at the logical "half way points" to resolve contracting issues, without taking away another huge chunk of salary from the players... and it was at that point the players decided to let Fehr do the talking, and walked away like idiots (moving goal posts and all).

Put another way, if in October the NHL came back with a second offer that provided:

+ A mutually acceptable (revised) definition of HRR, where the players would go from 57% to 50% of that revenue pie over the next 2 or 3 years, then stay at 50% for the duration of an 8 or 10 year CBA.

+ No changes whatsoever to UFA or RFA eligibility rules

+ 5 year maximums for FA going to new teams, 7 years for existing teams

+ $300M in make whole money directly from the owners

+ Revenue sharing that was exactly what the players asked for

There would be a new CBA right now. This is all brinksmanship and games. But the PA didn't take the high road last week when some very decent owners came to the table to fix the problem created by *******s like Jacobs and Snider. No one was asking them to "sign the agreement without Don", so that whole line of reasoning is pure spin IMO. Not much respect at all for Hainsey in that stretch.

We're going to lose the season at this point so might as well start thinking about the lottery because it's all we have to look forward to.
When you study the history of NHL labor relations, it's insane how ****ed things have gotten. I finally saw the total amount of games missed due to labor strife since '93 and wanted to puke - 2200 games. I can't even wrap my head around that.

It's frustrating to hear people say what happened it the 50s and 60s is "ancient history", because it is all tied into where we are at now.

The owners were liars and cheats... The players finally had enough and formed the NHLPA with Eagleson as the ED. Eagleson was a total ******* and if anyone wants to read a fascinating, but disturbing book about what Eagleson pulled, check out "Game Misconduct" by Russ Conway.

Conway exposed Eagleson for collusion with the owners (to keep wages down), how he embezzled player pension funds, spent lavishly on the PA's dime, and was way too cozy with the owners and Ziegler.

The NHLPA brought in BG to replace Eagleson and he called a strike to show the owners he meant business. The owners caved and Bettman was brought in. They had the lockout in '95 and the owners caved again, which is why Bettman had the rules changed to give him the 3/4 rule. Under BG, player salaries escalated and players were strongly discouraged from taking anything but market value. Which is why Lemieux had problems with BG and the NHLPA when he came out of retirement and wanted to pay himself 5m.

The owners wanted BG out and did everything they could to get his union to turn on him, which they accomplished in '05. BG felt betrayed by the players and resigned.

The PA hired Kelly after outing Saskin (was alleged he was reading confidential player emails), but Lindros, Ference, etc felt he was getting too cozy with the owners, much like Eagleson did. I thought Kelly was being smart, but it is what it is. The PA didn't want another ED getting in the back pocket of the owners, so they brought in Fehr to battle Bettman. They basically stabbed Kelly in the back and had him voted out. The history of Eagleson had a lot to do with this decision, but they should never have pulled the **** they did.

This whole timeline is all connected and brought us to this ridiculous lockout. There is a long history of resentment from both sides and because of this, they have made a mockery of the league. They have to find a way to make peace, for the good of the game. There is no other way.

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