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12-11-2012, 06:36 PM
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Lockout Thread #4: Tentative agreement!

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I made it a yes/no poll because i think it more easily expresses what we think and is simplier: will we have hockey, yes or no

Originally Posted by Stoneman89 View Post
Actually it is 100% wrong. You just finished saying the media were the ones that were expousing a victory for the league and not Bettman. That is NOT what the poster in question stated. This isn't between the league and the media or the players and media.
Originally Posted by Stoneman89 View Post
Fool me once......
Originally Posted by Gone View Post
Why would the owners play the season with a 43:57 revenue split in favor with the players when that is exactly what they are trying to reverse? The owners would have absolutely 0 leverage in this case, and the players 0 incentive to negotiate an equitable agreement. In fact, as it got closer to the playoffs, the players leverage would increase because of the Fehr of them striking!

The players refusing to negotiate until the start of the season, despite overatures from Bettman to get the process rolling early in the summer, could be viewed as having a hostile intent.

I am sick of the players arguement that they are giving too much back, and the owners are giving up nothing. Sorry boys, just because the owners overpaid you for the last 20 years doesn't mean you have the God given right to a slow, painless reduction in wages. I would love to see Bettman get his 57:43 split in favor of the owners; perhaps then profitable franchises would mean the fans pay less (i seriously doubt it, but we can dream).
Originally Posted by Stoneman89 View Post
If the players wanted some peaceful, respectful negotiations, they never would have dumped Paul Kelly. The minute they did that, and turned to hired shyte-disturber and noted hard-ass Don Fehr was a shot across the bow. And the fact that the union under Fehr turned down league overtures to talk in January and waited till close to the expiration date of the contract confirms they were gearing up for a battle.
Originally Posted by Billybaroo View Post
Pleaase enlighten the masses as to why Fehr would not even entertain negotiations until very , very late in the 11th hour. That, on its ownn, clearly manifested the bad faith he would come to the negotiations with. He had zero, nada, intention of the CBA been succesfully negotiated before the season commenced. Thats obvious.
And the terms they offered were ridiculous. You know that, I know that. Play on the same terms as there was. Yeah, that makes sense.
Originally Posted by I am the Liquor View Post
Between that and the missing/expropriated union funds one has to wonder just what the **** is going on over there.
Originally Posted by SK13 View Post
They were clearly pretty pissed off about their "loss" and wanted to reestablish some kind of PA strength.

If they were half as intelligent as they think they are, they'd notice that "loss" turned into a player windfall in less than 4 years.
Originally Posted by BlueChip01 View Post
Instead of crying about it, why didn't the PA just counter the initial NHL offer fairly quickly instead of making counters that were not based off of the expired CBA? Counter at 54% or something. Then both sides move to the middle. Yes it was an extreme initial offer, but who said it was a final offer?

All we heard was this crying poor by the PA, etc. I'm sure the NHL just looked at the NBA for example and started low. They got a deal done and their initial offer was in the mid 30's percentage wise or so.
Originally Posted by Stoneman89 View Post
Exactly. Some people are all upset by the NHL's initial lowball offer at the outset. What did they think they were going to do - give their best shot immediately and work from there? It's where you finish at the end of dealing, not the start. And if some players were upset by the initial offer, they need to shed the sensitivity and realize that this is how negotiations begin.
Originally Posted by 402 View Post
Mediators failed big time the first time around, the sides are closer together this time around. Gary said they were not interested in mediators yet here they are

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