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12-11-2012, 10:30 PM
Kriss E
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Originally Posted by NotProkofievian View Post
And you think that just because the opponents he destroyed are weak, which you're now admitting(yay progress), that doesn't affect his standing or legacy? That doesn't influence the hypothesis that he's somehow beyond everyone else.
No, I don't. The reason is because of the way he destroyed his opponents and not only never lost but never got hurt either, not a scratch on the body. But who cares about that, people were able to bring him down on the mat..So I guess that means he really isn't that amazing.
And you like to rage on Silva's opponents, I'm supposed to be impressed by GSP facing Serra (and losing), or Koscheck, or Hardy or Alves?? How are they any different than the Marquardt, Okami or Griffin?

Originally Posted by NotProkofievian View Post
It's very simple. I say he's at the top of the list with Fedor and GSP filing in just below him. Dana and you and every other Silva knob shiner out there say that he's not even on the list. Like, that's actually what they said. Do you see how your logic here was incomplete and stupid?
Fedor is finished.
And I actually said Silva-GSP-Jones are the cream of the crop. I said Jones need to prove himself more, and I said I put Silva higher than GSP because of the way he beats his opponents, meaning dominance (99% of the time), hurting them from any position possible, and not suffering any type of real damage. Him jumping up weight class and dominating the same way also adds to the reasoning. Those are facts.
Your argument is that his opponents weren't really that great, that's an opinion, not a fact.
Do you see how your logic here is stupid?

Originally Posted by NotProkofievian View Post
And I suppose it's your opinion that Silva's not ducking by asking for half the UFC to fight jones?

Just a question, do you not think Mayweather was ducking, as well?
Silva never denied he rather faced GSP and isn't too thrilled about facing Jones. Not sure how not particularly wanting to face the dominant champion of a higher weight class takes away from his dominance.
Did GSP or Jones go up in weight classes to face other opponents?
And seeing how you like to discredit Silva a bit due to his opponents, who did Jones face that's overly impressive? Evans? Washed up Rampage or Shogun?
I'm not dogging Jones. My point is you can look at the list of opponents every great fighter has faced, you'll get some rather unimpressive names in there.

Originally Posted by NotProkofievian View Post
Of course. He could be that good. But because the division was weak, and you agreed to that point, it goes further than your last statement.

The proof is insufficient.
I explained why I think he's that good. It remains an opinion, just like yours. People can have different opinions.
Originally Posted by NotProkofievian View Post
1.) This will be my last reply to you because of **** like this. The point was that just because Hendo has an Olympic Silver, and Sonnen has a world university Silver that they're better at wrestling for MMA. Koscheck was a Division 1 national champion, and was simply outwrestled by GSP. Do you know why? Because GSP has integrated wrestling into MMA, and coupled it with BJJ ability that none of those guys have. But feel free to ignore this point, like you always have.

2.) According to Silva's own words, GSP, and BJ Penn are the greatest fighters of all time.
1) Never ignored that. Not the first time you're completely making stuff up about me, it's becoming quite a recurring theme actually.
I also don't think GSP has an amazing ground game. He's good at the transition, wrestling and grappling, and he's a very smart tactician. Actually, you can listen to him say just about the same thing.

2) He also said Coté is a great fighter, as well as every other one of his opponents.
Originally Posted by NotProkofievian View Post
No, it was a pathetic attempt at ****-talk and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Originally Posted by NotProkofievian View Post
You think there's a game-plan, and that game plan seems to be exactly what I've advocated, you just don't think GSP can, even though you think he could. And even though all someone has to do is jab, circle, shoot, and not get submitted, you think that A. Silva is on some other list, beyond the other P4P GOATs.

Wow, you sure showed me.
What's sad is that you think ''jab, circle, shoot, not get submitted, stay on top for 5 rounds and not eat any shots'' is actually easy to do.
But I bet that even if Silva KOd GSP, you'd still refuse to give him as much credit.
Originally Posted by NotProkofievian View Post
This is the ridiculousness of your opinion. You even agree with everything I said, but just say "he can't do it." He can. End of story.
There is no ridiculousness, it's fight, you can put Matt freaking Serra versus GSP, and guess who'll lose?
So of course GSP has a chance, I just don't think he'll win. Nothing freaking crazy about that.
For some reason, you NEVER talk about the possibility of Silva hurting GSP, nope, it's as if it's so impossible that it's not even worth bringing up. However, you love to bring up the fact the other needs to fight the PERFECT FIGHT to win, and somehow, you seem to favor him. You really don't make any sense at all, and at first I was annoyed, now I just find it humorous.

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