Messier vs. Esposito
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12-11-2012, 11:41 PM
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Yeah I don't think a post-Esposito Orr is the best case AGAINST Phil either:
1975-'76 - 18 points in 10 games
1976-'77 - 23 points in 20 games
1978-'79 - 4 points in 6 games
Overall he has 45 points in 36 games. I will also take into account that Orr's knees weren't the same but how many people want to bet that his stats are higher if Esposito is his big center again on Chicago?
Sure they would have been better with Phil in 77 and also with most of the other 16 guys ahead of Phil in scoring as well perhaps.
We have sooooooo many indicators of Orr influencing Phil game and point totals that's almost ridiculous to suggest otherwise at this point.
What Phil would have been exactly without Orr is debatable but it almost certainly likely he would have been less the player in standing.
IMO he drops down, best case scenario into the 40-50 range of all time players and at worst case right out of the top 100.
As it is I don't really have that much of a problem with Scotty having him at 40ish or in the 15-20 range for centers.
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