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12-11-2012, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Hardyvan123 View Post
Sure they would have been better with Phil in 77 and also with most of the other 16 guys ahead of Phil in scoring as well perhaps.

We have sooooooo many indicators of Orr influencing Phil game and point totals that's almost ridiculous to suggest otherwise at this point.

What Phil would have been exactly without Orr is debatable but it almost certainly likely he would have been less the player in standing.

IMO he drops down, best case scenario into the 40-50 range of all time players and at worst case right out of the top 100.

As it is I don't really have that much of a problem with Scotty having him at 40ish or in the 15-20 range for centers.
This is discounting him too much. Best case would be he remains where he has been on this board, somewhere in the Messier, Clarke, Trottier range, which tends to be around 20-25ish. If you were to completely ignore Orr, I think he'd pretty easily be Top 10 all time, so it's not like he wasn't being discounted here in the past. I don't see any conceivable way he would be out of the Top 100 either, even as a worst case.

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