CBA Negotiations III: Why Can't We All Just...Get Along?
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12-17-2012, 04:06 PM
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Isn't that one of the reasons we are still without a deal? That the PA has such a plethora of 'sticking points'? So, it is pretty disinegenious to deify them for protecting future players when at face value it really is just a slice of them asking for the moon. They have all but admtited from the get-go that 'Make Whole' is their 'hill to die on', though.
Where am I deifying players? Also, is the owners' own hill any less obnoxious?
And, by definition, a good portion of them won't even negotiate a new contract before the next CBA is inked... and if the players got their wish of a 5 year agreement then it would quickly become a majority.
Players signed them in bad faith, too. Their agents knew a rollback was eminent and likely had some idea that long term deals were going to be going away - you don't think Tyler Seguin was anxious to get a deal done before the deadline? Speaking of agents... who were the only ones that got 100% of what they negotiated? Those are the guys whom should really be villified by both sides for their part in this mess.
How did the players sign them in bad faith? Did they not plan on honoring those contracts? Yes, agents suck. It's their job to get the player to think selfishly so they can make money from it.
Don't kid yourself. The middle class is going to get screwed, too. The PA has not pushed hard for anything that helps anyone but the upper class (with the cherry on top being the steps they are taking now), but these guys are going to spend another month trying to figure out how to work some basic algebra on a napkin before they figure it out.
I never said the current middle class isn't getting screwed. I said the lower classes; I used the plural. The middle class is lower than the upper class, is it not?
Like I said in my edit which I probably added while you were typing that, I don't think we really disagree. I'm only trying to understand what the players are trying to accomplish and make sense of it. I know they suck, but I want to know why they're doing it and what they're truly trying to accomplish. I'm not trying to justify it or condone it, or support it. I'm exploring possibilities. I'm just trying to provide an explanation. I don't know why people are so wildly opposed to that.
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