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12-19-2012, 10:37 PM
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On the 43% number, no one took it seriously. It was a starting point [Mod]. If they said 50% he would bleed them for 53.5%. The 43 was used to get to 50 and it worked.

Bettman is a horrid negotiator, but Fehr killed a 91 year tradition. NHLPA supporters point to labor *peace* in baseball but the sport is completely ruined. How many meaningful games lost in Pittsburgh and Kansas City since 1994?
2916 each
  • Pittsburgh is 0 for 18 in making the playoffs.
    ---The town has 3 championships (6 finals) in the other 2 sports in that time.
  • The Brewers qualified for the playoffs 2 times since the strike.
  • The Padres have made the playoffs 4 times in 18 years.
  • The Yankees have made the playoffs 17 times in 18 years.
  • The Red Sox have made the playoffs 9 times in 18 years.
  • The Braves have made the playoffs 13 times in 18 years.

That is not a sport.

Even teams like Florida and Arizona go into debt mode for a few years (or a few months), get hot or lucky and win, then sell the whole team.
  • Florida has 2 world series in 18 years and missed the playoffs the other 16 seasons.
  • Arizona was top 10 in payroll from 1999 to 2003. (3 playoff teams in 5 years) then dropped back (2 in 10 years)
    --Arizona had a 28% lower 2012 payroll (74.3 million) than they did in 2002 (102.8 million).

You do get teams who spend poorly (Mets 3 in 18) or work the system (Moneyball A's 6 in 18) but the game is broken.
Players get paid in Boston, New York or LA and the fans suffer.

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